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Should this be a 3bet or fold pre from MP? (NL 50)

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    Default Should this be a 3bet or fold pre from MP? (NL 50)

    UTG is a nitty 15/11
    CO is 21/16
    both over large sample size
    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($51.50)
    Hero (MP) ($52.60)
    CO ($50)
    Button ($50)
    SB ($47.55)
    BB ($54.05)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J, K
    UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, CO calls $2, 3 folds

    Flop: ($6.75) J, 6, 5 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, 1 fold

    Turn: ($16.75) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero ??

    Total pot: $16.75
    Co could be calling with a ton of draws and hands that crush us. How does this look for his flop calling range in a multiway pot?
    JJ-99,66-55,AQs-A8s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,AQo-AJo
    I would think hes 3 betting JJ,66,55 though.
    flop we are 60% or so Turn brings us to 50% against that range?
    I dont think that a turn bet gets him off much. Thoughts on the hand?
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    Fold pre most of the time vs a nit UTG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzard
    Fold pre most of the time vs a nit UTG
    Forgot to add, fishie players in the blinds.
    A better call from CO or BTN?
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    I'm never folding the turn. AJ is checking behind, and he's raising QJ, sometimes a slowplayed set, and all of his floats.
    Floating is popular, yo.

    I call and c/f the river without history.
    I fold pre a lot, but I don't think it's a huge mistake, especially if there aren't any squeeze happy players behind, and fish in the blinds.

    I'd also c/r that turn sometimes with my draws rather than barrel if I've seen the villain float with air before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar
    I'm never folding the turn. AJ is checking behind, and he's raising QJ, sometimes a slowplayed set, and all of his floats.
    Floating is popular, yo.

    I call and c/f the river without history.
    I fold pre a lot, but I don't think it's a huge mistake, especially if there aren't any squeeze happy players behind, and fish in the blinds.

    I'd also c/r that turn sometimes with my draws rather than barrel if I've seen the villain float with air before.
    Ya no real history. These are the kind of marginal spots I struggle with.
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    If you are good postflop, and there aren't religious squeezers behind then - Call>>>>>Fold>>>>3 bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool
    If you are good postflop, and there aren't religious squeezers behind then - Call>>>>>Fold>>>>3 bet.
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    agree with toadstool for preflop. postflop- on the turn im generally betting but as played certainly calling and evaluating river
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