sick spot with kings deep.

Villain is mannerPLZ, a very good reg running 29/26/3.3 over 150 with an 8 percent 3 bet though he hasn't 4 bet once in those 150 hands, he's loose but sane.

My image is clean and I am running 26/22/3.4 at this table with a 9 percent 3 bet.


wtf do I do here?


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($200)
Hero (Button) ($523.10)
MannerPLZ (SB) ($488.50)
BB ($433.40)
UTG ($200)
MP ($406)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
2 folds, CO bets $7, Hero raises to $24, MannerPLZ raises to $52, 2 folds, Hero calls $28

Flop: ($113) 5, 2, Q (2 players)
MannerPLZ bets $64, Hero calls $64

Turn: ($241) 8 (2 players)
MannerPLZ bets $110, Hero calls $110

River: ($461) 8 (2 players)
MannerPLZ bets $262.50 (All-In), Hero???

Is he value shoving AQ or JJ?

Can he ever think you are calling flop and calling turn to fold to shove on the river?

KK on Q high board is always a disaster vs. a tight 4bet range I think

marshall nailed it. i've played enough hands with this guy, and he is loose & will mess around some, but he's not going to 4bet/3barrell bluff here ever. i think you could even fold the turn.

seems like an easy call against anyone reasonably competent. might not be anyone fitting that description at 200nl

Originally Posted by nutsinho

seems like an easy call against anyone reasonably competent. might not be anyone fitting that description at 200nl

The games are extremely nitty post flop, the difference between it and 2/4 is very big. I really doubt 1/2 players ever bluff, nor triple barrel worse for value here.

Originally Posted by Marshall28

Originally Posted by nutsinho

seems like an easy call against anyone reasonably competent. might not be anyone fitting that description at 200nl

The games are extremely nitty post flop, the difference between it and 2/4 is very big. I really doubt 1/2 players ever bluff, nor triple barrel worse for value here.

there are plenty of "competent" players at 1/2, several who put up numbers like marshall in half as many hands each month. There is plenty of bluffing going on, alteast in the FTP games. I do agree no one is triple barrelling worse for value here, and i dont know what is bluffing this besides maybe exaclty AKcc.

i'd really like to hear from nutsinho what hands we beat here thats taking this line ~250bbs deep.