Simple Pre-flop Decision

Villain is 25/20 - this is 5max so I'd say he's a Tagg, maybe a sLagg. No other reads...never tangled with him before.

What is considered standard here vs this villain? Fold or push?

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $195.00
CO: $390.25
Button: $31.40
SB: $48.15
Hero: $252.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $8, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $34, UTG raises to $108, CO folds, Hero folds??

He raises UTG and 4-bets you. At best he has AK and for 100bb I have been known to take the gamble. But if this is the first time he has 4-bet me then I might light it go. If my image is crazy/aggressive then I call. If I have been tight then I fold.

shove

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

shove

maybe there is a big difference between 1/2 and .5/1 but i dont really see him 4 betting anything we beat besides AK and thats a flip, and we have 0 FE.

i havent done the math, but i think that even if his range is only AA/KK/AK it would still be like atleast neutralish ev with the money already in? also sometimes people dont 4bet aa/kk and hes gonna have other stuff sometimes too. even if u throw QQ in there that would help with the dead money thats already in there.

The fact that he's UTG and 4 betting you makes me fold this against a random tagg, but I don't think it's a simple decision.

First thing I would do is take a quick look at your recent stats for the table. I doubt that it is a question of getting a read on the kind of player UTG is as much as it is a question of figuring out what utg's read is on your 3 bet range. The only way I'm calling is if I know he's observant and I have been very active preflop on raises and 3 bets in position.

His 4-bet size makes me want to push all-in here. But I would fold here a lot of the time doo, all depends on the player I guess.

Also, why did you 3-bet so big? Is $26-28 not more standard?

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Also, why did you 3-bet so big? Is $26-28 not more standard?

Because of the cold-caller.

Is there a decent amount of squeezing in poker rooms 1/2 games?

This is just like a fist pump shove on stars and fulltilt.

The Ongame 200NL game is not famous for light squeezing. I get far too much respect when I squeeze so unless JL has been active this is a fold to me.

Haha I'm not too bright.

Originally Posted by silu73

The Ongame 200NL game is not famous for light squeezing. I get far too much respect when I squeeze so unless JL has been active this is a fold to me.

This is true.

However, I have noticed a ton more squeezing going on at $400NL.

At 200NL on Ongame with a tight image, I agree with you that this is a fold.

so ongame this is only like AA/KK or what?

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

so ongame this is only like AA/KK or what?

The good regs will squeeze, but for the most part, yeah, this is AA-KK the vast majority of the time. Definately not a lot of light 4-betting. The site has more of a passive call station type thing going rather than aggro donk. Though of course there are some.

fold because of the site and lack of history.

If not stats, have to fold.Msot times at best 50-50 agasint he AK.

ok so if utg's range for doing this is AA/KK/AK/QQ only, no other hands and he calls with his entire range then this would be almost exactly neutral EV. i think that some players just call with AA/KK sometimes here and i think its possible he could have a wider range. so with him just calling the 3bet with AA or w/e sometimes or having a wider range this would be +ev. in my games there would be a wider range... but i think this should be atleast a breakeven play if not +ev.

He has AK wayyyyy more than KK/AA, based on probability and raise size, so I shove, not to mention he could have some ridiculous hand, as well as JJ.