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    Default Simple spot I have a lot of trouble with

    Villain is 29/24/2 and unremarkable over 40 hands. He 3bets 7% so far and I think he tries to play well.
    Hero is running about 22/19 & 3betting 15% so probably looking kinda aggro TAG.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (UTG) ($127.45)
    MP ($132.55)
    Button ($100)
    SB ($151.50)
    BB ($251.80)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero bets $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($9.50) 3, 7, 8 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $7, Button calls $7, 1 fold

    Turn: ($23.50) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $17, Button calls $17

    River: ($57.50) 4 (2 players)
    Hero

    I realize the turn is a b/f, but does that make the river a c/f?
    Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
  2. #2
    b/f both streets.
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    Any sizing tips would be terrific. I feel b/f $30 on the river seems like I put a lot of my stack in to fold at this point.
    Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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    Hmm... hes got $73 behind in a $57 pot. I can't stand to just c/f here though.

    I think a committing number would be better than 1/2 pot here. Like 38-42 would probably be perfect for a b/f here. This way, you're betting enough so that hes never thinking he has FE, so he's never shoving over as a bluff. But at the same time, he'll call off with a lot of other stuff that we beat, and sometimes stuff that beats us.
  5. #5
    Any timing tells on this Vil? For instance in this hand were they like insta calls? Or did he think about it for a min?
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Slayer
    Any timing tells on this Vil? For instance in this hand were they like insta calls? Or did he think about it for a min?
    This actually makes the hand less interesting imo. Pretend there are no tells even if there were, and treat it as a wide range/ awkward stack size problem.

    If the river is awkward with bet/stack sizes on a blank, it usually means something has gone wrong earlier in the hand. But it doesnt seem to have. B/f definitly looks good on the turn.

    What worse hands call a river bet here? I find it hard to believe A8 is calling again. 9T/TJ isnt calling. 45 probably isnt. 56 got there. The flush got there. He has to 3bet TT+ preflop to get those stats. The only hands I see value from are if he decided to float with a Q, although given your read and his general looseness that doesnt seem tremendously unlikely. I want to block bet but given hes fairly aggro I think he could bluff raise a decent ammount with a missed straight draw, or maybe even turn a pair below Qs into a bluff. I guess I must have trouble with these spots too .
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    Just bet 35 or something he's never gonna jam worse so you can pretty easily b/f.
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    Another thing I just realized is, are you opening 3x from all positions? I typically 4x from EP-HJ, then 3x the CO, and either 2-3x the BTN. If you had 4x'd PF, making the flop pot ~$11, so u can bet 9-10, making turn pot ~$30, letting u b/f for 20-22, setting up an ez river shove or something.
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    Yeah I'm also a fan of 4x utg at 100nl.
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    I think you played hand well to river, I would just c/fold at this point unless bet was smaller than 1/2 pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meeloche
    Yeah I'm also a fan of 4x utg at 100nl.
    Actually I 4x UTG and 3x everywhere else. This particular hand was 5 handed though so I just 3x'd it.

    And as for timing tells, I used to rep a general situation that I have trouble with(TT, AQ would play similar for me). I am not too concerned about this particular hand.
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