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    Default Some 50nl hands, not that hard

    More kinda standard spots I want to check lines, bet sizes on.

    Hand 1

    Villain is 19/4 over 160 hands. Folded to cbet 2/2 times in that sample.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($86.70)
    UTG ($47.35)
    MP ($6)
    Button ($48.30)
    Hero (SB) ($59.05)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
    UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.50) 6, 9, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4, UTG raises $8, Hero raises $22, UTG calls $18

    Turn: ($56.50) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20


    Thoughts? Flop seemed too wet to mess around and would be hard to find many worse turn cards, but I'm pretty much priced if I check and he bets so might as well get calls from his lower sets and 2P/etc... 3-bet size on flop?


    Hand 2

    Villain is 33/22 over small sample (50% steal).

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($69.15)
    MP ($52.70)
    CO ($51.10)
    Button ($47.45)
    SB ($43.80)
    Hero (BB) ($47.25)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
    3 folds, Button bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $6, Button calls $4.75

    Flop: ($13.25) 6, Q, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $7, Button calls $7

    Turn: ($27.25) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, Button calls $10

    River: ($47.25) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $23.75 (All-In)


    Seems hard to go too far wrong. When flush hits on river am I best off betting since his flushes call anyway and he might call with something else, or check and hope he turns something into a bluff if he doesnt have the flush? Turn betsize? With him only having slightly over a psb left I wanted to make it easy to call turn and a river shove, but if he has the draw then I lose value when river doesnt hit?


    Hand 3

    Villain running 64/36 over 10 hands HU. 50% cbet (1/2). I've been pretty aggressive and he's been folding.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($42.27)
    Hero (SB) ($64.08)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, A
    Button bets $1.25, Hero calls $1

    Flop: ($3) 9, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls $3

    Turn: ($9) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $5, Button calls $5

    River: ($19) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $11, Button raises $32.77 (All-In), Hero calls $21.77

    Thoughts on all streets?


    Hand 4

    Villain is 19/15 over 160 hands. 6% 3-bet and no 4-bets. Folded 2/2 to cbets in normal pots. *** Converter is messed up, I'm SB and guy marked as UTG is BB ***


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    UTG ($65.90)
    MP ($52.45)
    CO ($50.45)
    Button ($51.10)
    Hero (BB) ($91)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
    1 fold, CO bets $1.75, Button calls $1.75, Hero raises $7, UTG calls $6.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($18) 2, 8, 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $11, UTG calls $11

    Turn: ($40) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $20, Hero folds

    I just cant see anything he calls flop with that I'm good against here, and dont want to make a mistake deep. He could have TT/JJ on the flop, but is he going to turn them into a bluff on the turn? B/f might be better, but stack sizes make it bad I think.
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    hand 1: your flop 4 bet is too small, make it $28, as played you just have to shove.


    Hand 2 looks good.


    hand 3: looks fine to me.


    hand 4: I take it the converter has messed up, did utg raise or limp?
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    Yeah converters messed up for some reason, maybe because the guy to my right is sitting out. I'm SB and the guy marked as UTG is BB.
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    k, well hand 4 in that case is preety crappy, as his range for calling a 3 bet that calls the flop and bets the turn is fairly narrow as like you said I'd expect him to check lower pairs back. Makes me think he just floated with ak and spiked a king on the turn.
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    Yeah, that or AA/KK, more likely AA hoping I had AK. I hate giving villains tiny tight ranges and folding, but think his range really is that tight here.
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  6. #6
    First hand I'd either re-mini raise him or make it huge. The situation you've gotten yourself into when raising to 22, having him call, then a 5h falling on the turn is absolutely awful, there is no decision you can make that appears +ev in this situation.

    Second hand I really like the way you played it, the only thing I might have done differently is bet a little less on the flop (paired boards never need larger bets because there are fewer draws and more WA/WB situations).

    Third hand, I think you've really made your hand pretty obvious here. I actually don't really like the way you played it on any street. I think the call preflop is O-K, but I'd prefer to just 3bet this early in the match. On flop, I think c/c just kinda sucks since there are so many turn cards that you don't like. It's not like your hand has that much equity with 1 over, a gutter and a bdfd (so there's no reason to be worried about him pushing you off of it by having to fold when he puts in another raise), so I prefer to put a c/r in here and to barrel any heart, 8 or A. As played, when you lead the turn I think it's like super obvious what you're holding, which means I guess it could be okay in the sense that he could think it looks too obvious that he looks you up light, but even if he does go down that thought process, you never really know what it means when he puts in this raise on the river. As played I'd just fold, though I'd really hate to c/c this flop in this spot w/ this holding.

    Fourth hand, this is like a pretty tough spot, I think I'd like to do something like c/r the flop though. I find it too difficult to determine whether he has a range like 99/TT/JJ to flat your 3b cold, or a hand like AA/KK/AK. Any of those are reasonable in his spot. Any of those are even more reasonable in his spot since you are deeper and he can afford to push you off of hands more often. Since you are only 130bb deep or so and not 200bb, I really just like to CRAI. You pick up a stab at the pot from him a decent amount of the time, and you can get called by all worse pairs in his range since they can easily put you on some kind of draw. Yeah, you'll get stacked by AA/KK still, but you have to realize that his range widens for flatting your 3b as you get deeper past 100bb. As played I dunno, only conclusion I can come to is the same one ATOTHEC had. Maybe AK. Not sure.
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    2nd hand is basically 1/2 pot c-bet, you recommend even less than that?

    3rd hand I dislike and why I posted it. Tbh I cant even give a good reason for donking turn when I hit, I just did it without thinking much. With only T7 beating me, HU, you'd fold river with less than 2:1 odds? I mean, sure he's dumb to do this with...anything else, but people do dumb stuff and maybe he thinks 2P (perhaps pairing the K on river) is good here? I dont play a lot of HU, usually only if the table breaks down for a while (here he joined right after the others left before I closed it). Never quite sure how to play these AX hands OOP v's a wide range.

    4th hand, I dont mind the c/r, but then again the last few times I've done a c/r in spots like this people have told me just to bet until given a reason to stop.
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    Going to do this and post it before I read any responses.

    hand 1: I think it's ok, but I prolly 3 bet to 27-28. I'd be happy getting it in here now. I'd never slow play on such a wet flop.

    hand 2: I think turn bet is too small. I think I'd, at a minimum, make it 18 and just hope he shoves over you now. If he's paying attention, he'll see it as the milker bet it is. Unless you are zeebo'ing him.

    Hand 3: Leading the turn, turns your hand face up. I think I'd try for a c/r in this spot as he seems to like his hand alot here and we definately like ours.

    hand 4 is a lil trickier. I think you need to know if he's been floating previously. But his bet size is pretty strong here. He seems like he wants a call. Ande I've noticed a TON of players flatting AK at 50nl and 100nl too. So I'm a lil wary if there is some history.
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    I dont mind leading the turn with A7. It´s heads up nlhe, nobody ever has anything. When ur floating a hand as weak as yours on this flop oop you could very well take this line with a lot more, a T9s that picked up gutter outs, some flopped pr + bdfd and small 2pr. Id bet closer to pot, I dont expect his calling range to widen significantly when u make it $5 and mashing the bet pot button looks cool (and fos). I cant see a fold on river. One hands beats u, one thats likely to have been raising turn (unless its Tc7c) and the price is good.
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    Hand 1 and 2 look good and 4 I'd c/f turn.

    Hand 3 is the most interesting imo.
    If you're calling this hand preflop you can't rely on implied odds alone, and if you're not doing something on these flops I think your call will not be profitable. My standard would be to just fold preflop because I have no clue what my possibilities are of exploiting this villain postflop, because there's no history.

    But because you called preflop you should do something on a board like this.
    - A lead will only fold out worse hands and risks getting bluff raised by a maniac.
    - Your draw is likely not strong enough for a c/c and you're prone to getting barreled of your hand a lot by an aggressive villain
    - A c/r reps reasonable hands and you can barrel a lot of turns. How light villain cbets this board and calls a c/r you don't know, but that's the downside of calling with little history.
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    Yeah, I think c/r is best on flop in hand 3.

    Results for those who care of such things:

    Hand 1: 45o called ai on the turn.

    Hand 2: JJ called me down, in this case the small turn bet setting up smallish river shove worked.

    Hand 3: He had 88 for a set on the turn.

    Hand 4: He didnt show.
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