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  1. #1
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    Default Some line checks - 200nl

    Villain is donkish, 75/35. Should I just shove?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($234.88)
    MP ($256.41)
    CO ($61.91)
    Hero ($200)
    SB ($186.65)
    BB ($99.50)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, A. CO posts a blind of $2. SB posts a blind of $1.
    UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, UTG calls $9, CO folds.

    Flop: ($27) 2, K, T (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $18, UTG raises to $36, Hero ????

    Hand 2: Villain is 62/18 and an AF of .72. How to proceed after the check/minraise on turn?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($212)
    BB ($138.53)
    UTG ($132.43)
    MP ($41.85)
    CO ($234.75)
    Hero ($247.15)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. SB posts a blind of $1.
    3 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BB calls $5.

    Flop: ($15) 9, T, 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $11.

    Turn: ($37) 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB raises to $54, Hero ???

    Hand 3: Villain was 26/7 in this hand (the one who donk lead the turn) and has been quiet and pretty passive. Villain who minraised turn was 37/16 and fairly aggressive. What's my turn line?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB ($273.40)
    UTG ($330.72)
    MP ($212.21)
    Hero ($229.30)
    Button ($274.70)
    SB ($85.81)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, J. SB posts a blind of $1.
    UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, BB calls $9, UTG folds, MP calls $9.

    Flop: ($36) J, J, 2 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $22, BB raises to $44, MP calls $44, Hero calls $22.

    Turn: ($168) 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $81.13, Hero ???
  2. #2
    hand 1:

    shove is very legitmate option against someone who is 75/35(!). that is a lot of aggression and preflop calling, so his starting hands range would put you ahead most of the time against him when you do decide to play a pot with him. LAGs don't like to make big calls like that with TPWK anymore than a TAG does so i think you can take it. it will give him something to think about next time he thinks about messing around on you, that you're willing to showdown with him. they don't like showdowns most of the time.

    hand 2:

    this is the classic "passive check/call flop to check/minraise turn flopped set" line. not likely he has an overpair or he'd probably just call turn too since he's so passive, too scared to raise ,not good enough to fold. he's looking for value on the minraise, he only has another $65 behind. i think he wants you to come over the top of him. this might be a blocking/floating attempt by a more aggressive or advanced opponent, but i don't think it is here.

    hand 3:

    PF: standard.

    flop: i don't like the minraise call there at all. since you'd be next to act if you call or raise there, why not raise again now? a raise doesn't allow a scarier card to come that would kill your action while you're ahead but he doesn't know you're so strong (3 to a straight, 3rd heart, another overcard even). i would go for it there, you have to like where you're at. more likely to get a bad call on the turn.

    turn: as played, push. calling and folding are worse. you might be up against a better J but tough shit if you are.
    In answer to your question... it depends...
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  3. #3
    What alias said.

    Just my 2 cents for hand 3. Yes raising up j9s is standard with position but it does put you in tough spots like this sometimes when you are likely to be dominated. A much better flop that you are looking for with j9s is some sort of flush/straight draw or a 99x board. You just have to ask yourself if you think your hand is best. I think its unlikely here that it is (did you notice the cold call of $44?) , but its still really hard to get away from.
  4. #4
    First hand: A flop check-minraise is almost always a weak hand, so a push with the nut flush draw is not a bad choice if he's capable of folding weak one pair hands facing this level of strength.

    Second hand: This is the fish's favorite flopped set line. I fold to the turn minraise.

    Third hand: This might sound weak, but I'd probably just fold to the minraise. You bet out, got raised with a high pair on board, and then a player who checked then calls a substantial bet and raise? I'd expect to see at least J-T from one of these players, and MP could have you crushed with something like 2-2. Also, if you call here, you're unlikely to get much more action if you do in fact have the best hand, but if your hand is not good, you'll be in a position to lose more money on the next two streets. Just get out of the hand early.
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    Hand 1 I shoved and he called with KJh and I of course missed.

    Hand 2 + 3 I folded on the turn. A case can definitely be made for folding the flop to the minraise when there is a cold caller inbetween.

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