Some NL100 river decisions

Hand 1: Villain is unknown
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Hero (Button) ($175.50)
SB ($99)
BB ($136.60)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 5
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($13) 7, 8, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8, 1 fold

Turn: ($29) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($29) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero?
shove here? or just flat?



Hand 2: Villain is a fish
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Hero (SB) ($141.10)
Button ($72)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 8
Button bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) J, 8, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero raises to $9, Button calls $6

Turn: ($24) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $20

River: ($64) 3 (2 players)
Hero?
Shove for value? c/f? I know he would check back worse hands for sure



Hand 3: Villain is another fish that doesn't know what a preflop raise is (something like 55/3)
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BB ($95.30)
UTG ($118.20)
MP ($101.50)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($261.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 9
2 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 6, J, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($16.50) 10 (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $25, BB raises to $45, Hero wishes he just called

flatting seems weak and folding seems weak because he might raise 89... or would he?

Hand 1: Shove. He probably sucks and it's online poker. Trips never fold here.
Hand 2: Flop c/r is pure spew.
Hand 3: He sucks, I shove but I don't think a call is leaving too too much on the table.

on hand 2 what do you mean flop c/r is pure spew he's never folding like ace high on the flop it's for pure value

You're out of position with a ton of money behind. I think it's spew because it builds a big pot and tends to fold out and discourage bluffs from his weaker hands. Ask one of the heads-up specialists what they think.

Turn bet was too big as well.

Originally Posted by Fnord

You're out of position with a ton of money behind. I think it's spew because it builds a big pot and tends to fold out and discourage bluffs from his weaker hands. Ask one of the heads-up specialists what they think.

Turn bet was too big as well.

I think you're right about the turn, but I think I beat so many of his 8s it's almost a sin not to raise it up
I can understand if I had 87 in which case I don't beat shit other than ace high/lower pps

1&3 are shoves. Don't like 2 I'm with fnord.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

1&3 are shoves. Don't like 2 I'm with fnord.

What the others said

agree 1 and 3 are shoves, 2 is good for balance, but somehow i doubt a fish notices when we balance our lines/hands. I like raising here against a reg much more than a fish. Seems like its just spew as played and i c/f.

Hand 1 - If villain is at all capable of folding an 8x here it's close. If not, shove all day.

Hand 2 - Wow, to even consider a river value shove here you'd have to be a huge maniac or villain would have to be a huuuge donk fish. Flop c/r is meh.. ok against a fish I guess, but prob not too great against regs. If you think he's fishy and has worse then bet like $10-15.

Hand 3 - how possible is it that he has AK here? Has he 3bet at all? If he rarely has AK then obviously this is a shove vs a fish donk. If his 3bet is zero.. a flat isn't too bad here.

griffey he is 55/3
he probably thinks it's against the rules to raise two times before the flop

Originally Posted by iopq

griffey he is 55/3
he probably thinks it's against the rules to raise two times before the flop

i didn't see this at first, and i think the only thing to do in hand 3 is call. we have blockers, yada, yada, yada, but i cant see this player type b/3bet/calling with worse.

Though really, against this kind of fish when he leads the river like that, on a board where tons of two pairs/straights are possible and hearts missed, I'm just overbet shoving on him here. Let him figure it out.

#1 shove not even close
#2 what is this flop raise for? agree its spew
#3 vs. a fish are you kidding me plz get it in, all in

Originally Posted by iopq

on hand 2 what do you mean flop c/r is pure spew he's never folding like ace high on the flop it's for pure value

Really? I think most ppl fold ace high in this spot and possibly some low pairs. The raise to me kills action from his air and stuff you're ahead of, and ships value to what you are behind

you are maybe getting more value from small pairs on the flop, but not value you wouldn't have gotten playing two streets smaller

Originally Posted by mixchange

Originally Posted by iopq

on hand 2 what do you mean flop c/r is pure spew he's never folding like ace high on the flop it's for pure value

Really? I think most ppl fold ace high in this spot and possibly some low pairs. The raise to me kills action from his air and stuff you're ahead of, and ships value to what you are behind

you are maybe getting more value from small pairs on the flop, but not value you wouldn't have gotten playing two streets smaller

guy is a terribad fish
he's never folding any pair on this board and I want to get value before the board comes Q-K on turn/river and kills my action/owns me because he's peeling a c/r with overs