some semi interesting folds 200NL

Villain in this hand is Terry Schiavo (sp?). He's running 24/20 and is a solid player. He's not excessively spewy but probably bluffs in some spots (ldo). I've 3-bet him a few times before, and we have history so he probably thinks i'm capable of just 3-betting retardly wide ranges, and it's not deep enough into the sesh for him to realize i'm running like 16/13. I'm not sure if he realizes i'm 16 tabling either.

From the action i'm pretty sure he thinks i almost never have a 6 here.

he also thought on the river for 10 seconds or so. Also the reason i called the turn is that i think he was c/f his entire range on a blank besides an A or a 6, and hands that weren't A's or 6's were enough of his range.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($163.95)
UTG ($200)
Hero ($283)
Button ($242.30)
SB ($202)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, Q.
UTG raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($43) 5, 4, 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($43) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $30, Hero calls $30.

River: ($103) A (2 players)
UTG bets $150 (All-In), Hero folds.

Now this hand is against a loosish passivish player i haven't seen before.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($65.90)
SB ($201)
Hero ($243.60)
UTG ($217.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 7.
2 folds, SB raises to $7, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($14) 9, 6, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $28, SB calls $18.

Turn: ($70) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($70) T (2 players)
SB bets $40, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $70

I probably call both bout both are definitely marginal.

Like the turn float on hand 1 btw

1. Not much to do other than fold.
2. Why are you raising flop if you're gonna fold to this kind of river?

i probably call hand 1. the only thing you are losing to is 66 basically right?

hand 2, against most villains i would call, but the fact that hes loose passive makes me want to fold. i always talk myself into calling here.

ugh on hand 2 i didn't realize in the moment the kind of pot odds i was getting.

1st hand i dunno how i feel about the float, its like, why didn't you c-bet the flop? im guessing because you figured villain wouldn't give you any credit and checkraise u -- meaning u felt he had a stronger hand. u kinda tell him u think he is stronger than u when u check behind, so his bet on the turn looks like it's to protect his hand, i think if i were villain and u floated this turn to bet the river when it comes like 89TJKQ like, i wouldn't give you any credit at all. Maybe on a K Q or J possibly, but only because it appears that you are floating since you didnt bet the flop. otherwise, why are you just calling the turn, if you didnt bet the flop, it meant u were slowplaying or u were weak, if u were slowplaying when the board gets this draw heavy you would certainly not waste any time to make a move. i just think if u r gonna check this flop, this turn is a really bad one for your range and a great one for his range, id just give it up there.

yeah hand 2 is a clear cut call, against some villains it's actually a raise because they are so bad they'll stack off w/ just trips or a weird played AA.

ok pretend the villain bets $60 on hand 2

if you've ever played w/ me you'd know im the biggest calling station alive, so i snap. a good player on the other hand might fold.

i dunno it really depends on how villain perceives you, does he think you're the type to try to make a hero call, or does he think you're the type to be forced to call a smaller bet based on the great pot odds you're getting. its all in the context of previous hands so its really difficult to give u a "correct" answer.

can t lie Max, I call both and I call #1 rly rly fast. i might fold if the pot was 30$ and he was overbetting 5x pot or something... also it's the best spot ever for him to check a 6 to you. the only think I can think of is that he has 67 and hopes you with your light rr range have 6x, but that s pushing it I think

#2 is bleh. I don t like a fold cuz it s so hard to put him on a hand

if villain bets 60 in hand 2 I timebank shove

cuz that s what ppl get for taking it one level too far

I think both pots are big enough that folding is a big mistake. I dont get #2 either...i mean i might even raise here lol

Originally Posted by Genitruc

if villain bets 60 in hand 2 I timebank shove

The fact that we timebank then act makes our hand look stronger or weaker?

#1 is really close but #2 is a very easy call

he has to have a 6 less than 25% of the time on hand 1 for it to be a call if you guys didn't realize (i really hope you did)

lol

Originally Posted by Massimo

he has to have a 6 less than 25% of the time on hand 1 for it to be a call if you guys didn't realize (i really hope you did)

the fact that he bets the turn is very strongly correlated with him having a 6 b/c you are so likely to have a wheel. at the same time, he prob can't play any hand with a 6 in it profitably vs your reraise preflop and he should be aware of this. thats why i think this is a sick spot.

i don t think it matters (the timebank thing) but sometimes vs thinkers I like doing strange stuff where they think I'm levelling them

also in general on that wheel board I just think it's pretty +ev to play superaggressively when neither one of you is likely to have it and your range has more 6's in it than his.

dbl post

I haven't read the other posts so sorry if its repeated.

hand 1 - I don't really get the fold. He raised UTG, and the you repopped him and he called OOP. I agree that from the action that you rarely have a 6 here, but from the action I also think he rarely has a 6 here? I call this.

hand 2 - wow .. pot odds! lol I agree that if he had a 9, those turn and rivers sucked and he probably filled up. But he could be potentially value betting with A9 or something like that here even.

I think its good that you are capable of folding though. Maybe I should learn that lol

Hand 2 has to be a snap call.
Hand 1 is +ev for him whatever you do since you don't have any sixes in your range.

i hate hate hate the turn call in 1, i think you and i put him on difference ranges

Originally Posted by gabe

i hate hate hate the turn call in 1, i think you and i put him on difference ranges

yeah maybe. I was just obsessed with the fact that call turn bet river is soooo an A.

yea, it looks like you have Ax on flop so why would villian fire turn with air?

you're right solid point