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    Default Standard or weak?

    Hand1.
    Apologies in advance, convertor not working.
    My image is a little aggro, 3betting lots but mostly in position. Game has just gone much shorter handed.
    Original raiser is standard tagg, pretty good not spewy. Notes include 3bbs opener is not a premium hand.
    Cold caller is unknown.

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    Seat 3 - MRSTAXX_1100 ($81.70 in chips)
    Seat 5 - MIFFED22001 ($222.50 in chips)
    Seat 1 - MAYO888 ($80 in chips)
    Seat 2 - KUSHMAN888 ($388 in chips)
    MIFFED22001 - Posts small blind $1
    MAYO888 - Posts big blind $2
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Jc Js]
    KUSHMAN888 - Raises $6 to $6
    MRSTAXX_1100 - Folds
    MIFFED22001 - Raises $18 to $19
    MAYO888 - Calls $17
    KUSHMAN888 - Calls $13
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 5s 4h]
    MIFFED22001 - Checks....????

    Hand 2.
    Same image, although ive been 18/10 here so not playing too many
    Opps both unknown, but jay keeps buying in at multiple tables with $80, never full. Standard?

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    Seat 6 - JAY814 ($79.35 in chips)
    Seat 1 - CRETE4U ($61 in chips)
    Seat 2 - BROWNIE0804 ($80 in chips)
    Seat 3 - EZFISHHHY ($122.30 in chips)
    Seat 5 - MIFFED22001 ($269.25 in chips)
    CRETE4U - Posts small blind $1
    BROWNIE0804 - Posts big blind $2
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Ad 10c]
    EZFISHHHY - Folds
    MIFFED22001 - Raises $8 to $8
    JAY814 - Calls $8
    CRETE4U - Calls $7
    BROWNIE0804 - Folds
    *** FLOP *** [10h Ac Jh]
    CRETE4U - Bets $12
    MIFFED22001 - Raises $42 to $42....
    (Jay moves all in)
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    hand 1: these spots always suck. the board is pretty dry. i'd fire a 60% bet and see what happens. by checking you're effectively giving up the hand, unless you plan on check/raising to resteal the pot.

    hand 2: shove
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    Hand 1:
    Im pretty sure i cbet this. I think checking is far too weak and is just giving up on the hand. Although there is a good chance of Kushman having aq/kq, i think its just too weak to give him credit for a queen automatically since its probably only a small portion of his range. I think most of the time u cbet this, they will both fold. Being OOP on this one sucks, especially if you cbet and mayo shoves since your pot commited and almost always behind.

    Hand 2:
    I shove. Their both short stacked, and i wouldn't expect either of them to be holding kq. So i would bet your ahead here most of the time + those boat outs.
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    Hand 1). Reraise more PF. It may entice some players to call with smaller pocket pairs, which makes it harder for you to play your hand postflop. I would prefer to semibluff c/r this flop with a drawing hand, if that is what you are intending to do (repping K-K+ obv). You are essentially turning your hand into a bluff, and i feel it has more value than that even against two opponents. Do you expect either villain to be leading out with a hand like 10-10 as much as K-Q/A-Q?


    Both players have a pretty similar range, given the PF raise size. The coldcaller is much less likely to be holding any of the smaller PP's, but since he isn't a fullstack i am assuming he probably isn't a strong player so it probably isn't out of the question.

    Range: (K-Q, A-Q+, 6-6 - J-J, Q-Q+).

    IMO it isn't uncommon for players to call a RR with K-Q/A-Q (IMO even to coldcall a 3bet!).

    Hand 2). I don't like a RR so much since weaker hands (A-x, J-x most likely) are folding and only better hands continue. However with the flush draw out there i also would raise to ~$40. You have to call the shortstacks AI. A case for just calling would be interesting, though.
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    Hand 1 is really weak, gotta make a strong cbet here.

    Hand 2 shove because of the pot. He could have j10, be on a draw, etc. or could have the straight, but too much in there to give up
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    1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.
    Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

    if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

    seems like classic bet/fold
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixchange
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.
    Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

    if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

    seems like classic bet/fold
    Just because you check doesn't mean you're calling a bet, i think c/f on the flop is a plausible line. I'd rather just fire a c-bet though.

    on hand 2 i can't see how you can fold with those stack sizes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixchange
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.
    Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

    if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

    seems like classic bet/fold
    On the flop, if middle to act leads, we fold. If last to act bets, we call.
    Tehn we most likely c/f the rest of the way. If opponents are aggro I like betting here.
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