Strange line from Villain BvB, rebluff?

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UTG ($224)
MP ($200)
CO ($270.45)
Button ($218.80)
SB ($201)
Hero (BB) ($228.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 5
4 folds, SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 6, 9, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $25, Hero raises to $62


Villain is a decent reg, small winner at 200NL, views me as a tight player who he probably thinks he can push around. Not a ton of history, but I haven't been playing a lot of 200nL lately while I know he's been playing it a lot.

I couldn't see this as a good line for value by him, so I 3bet the flop. Not sure if this bluff is good or not! If I did honestly flop a set, I probably would flat his raise and let him fire turn. I have no way of knowing if villain knows this

this is for value, he has like aces or a set
he first says "hmph this flop is all low cards I give up"
then you say "ok ship me the pot"
then he says "lol tarped"
then you say "nuh-uh "
and then he flats your 3b, checks turn, you check back, he shoves river and you're like T.T wtf did I just do

id way rather 3bet preflop.

just fold flop to his super polarised c/r on a dry flop. id also try get to SD instead of betting flop

check flop >= b/f flop >>>>>>>>>>> bet/float flop >>>>>>>>> 3b flop

I like your line.

When the pfr (a regular) CR a dry flop like this I give him very little credit without history because I think he's weakening his OOP CB range too much if he CR value hands on dry flops like this vs. another regular. (Having said that I re-bluff too light.)

well according to the yeti theorem we wouldn't 3b a set on this board either because we'd flat his raise with a set since it's so dry so he's not going to give us any credit either

That's a good point, my personal style is to 4B my sets here because it goes against Yeti theorem and I find flatting the CR looks super-strong to regs on this dry board so I if I was concerned about balance vs. a reg I would bluff the same way.

However if I wasn't too concerned about balance/no big history, then you're right flatting here would look a lot stronger and he would be very unlikely to continue with bluffs and we might even get away with stealing the pot for a 'gay' bet on the turn.

(Though I do realise the whole question of the re-bluff here at all is really debatable.)

exactly so if you know you don't get credit with sets here, obviously it's a bad spot to bluff
or if it's a good spot to bluff it's obviously a bad spot to 3b a set

which is why I said if you're going to make a move on this board, flat his raise and take it away on the turn if he checks

Yeah, you're exactly right, I was mostly agreeing with you in my last post, sorry if that didn't come across.

Originally Posted by noble007

That's a good point... If I wasn't too concerned about balance/no big history, then you're right flatting here would look a lot stronger and he would be very unlikely to continue with bluffs and we might even get away with stealing the pot for a 'gay' bet on the turn.

Yeah, you're exactly right, I was mostly agreeing with you in my last post, sorry if that didn't come across.

Originally Posted by iopq

exactly

LOL. Ya i think I f'ed that one up. Should check behind i suppose. I guess maybe he had a set and was just going for the OMG THIS LOOKS BLUFFY line. He shoved, i foldz

Here is another similar hand, but very diff still

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Button ($97)
Hero (SB) ($108.15)
BB ($168.45)
UTG ($61.40)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J
3 folds, Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) K, 9, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $30,

Try that one on... what do you think. Obviously a very diff situation

obviously an easy fold to flop c/r because of yeti theorem

if you really don't want to fold your ace high nuts check and call the flop

If villain is pretty weak I fold as you have such a high CB success rate on K high dry messing with them when they show strength not worth it.

If villain is a reg however then I re-bluff too light because
He knows we CB K high dry close to 100% and our SB stealing range is so wide it can't take any heat without TP+ to a CR oop.

+ In a gross misaplication of ISF I also tell myself we can represent alot more stack off hands AK,AA,KK etc. then he can so we bluff.

Yeti is a factor again and maybe re-bluffing differently is an option.

(Oh and also his calling % in that position, raise/cr flop% are pretty important etc.)

Originally Posted by noble007

If villain is pretty weak I fold as you have such a high CB success rate on K high dry messing with them when they show strength not worth it.

Originally Posted by noble007

If villain is a reg however then I re-bluff too light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

Originally Posted by noble007

because He knows we CB K high dry close to 100% and our SB stealing range is so wide it can't take any heat without TP+ to a CR oop.

but we know that he knows that

Originally Posted by noble007

+ In a gross misaplication of ISF I also tell myself we can represent alot more stack off hands AK,AA,KK etc. then he can so we bluff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

Originally Posted by noble007

Yeti is a factor again and maybe re-bluffing differently is an option.

sure you can float to rep a wider range

Originally Posted by noble007

(Oh and also his calling % in that position, raise/cr flop% are pretty important etc.)

lidog

Originally Posted by iopq

check flop >= b/f flop >>>>>>>>>>> bet/float flop >>>>>>>>> 3b flop

bingo

Originally Posted by iopq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

At first I was a bit insulted, but thanks I actually needed that.

& what is 'lidog'?
So far all I got is 'Long Island Dog Owners Group'

lidog is a way to type ldo without having it censored, lidog

I don't mind betting this flop, I feel we take this down a large majority of the time and protect against his random hands like JT etc. We also don't really know how to respond to a lead on most turn cards, especially T-K.

I would bet this flop if villain had a high cbet, but ck back if I knew he was the type to c/c a lot and not cbet very freqently. As played, I'm b/f'ing all day.

I like hand 1, id bet planning on threebarrelling.

Although id fold to the c/r and just assume its the nuts cause i cant imagine he would check any air on the flop.

Hand 2 seems fine although calling with some weak range seems better, not AJ but 77/jj or something.

In hand 2 I forgot to mention that villain was a std. taggy player, but not that creative.

I just didn't think he was the type of player who would be raising a king or a set on that flop. at the same time the king probably didn't hit me and I cbet this flop almost 100%

i d click it back here quite a bit and shove a 3 or 4 on the turn but check A or 5 turn and shove riv A