Strange river c/r

Villain is a regular, a bit loose-passive though. Put him on a hand please..

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $582.50
UTG+1: $755.62
CO: $316.60
Hero: $1217.28
SB: $203.77
BB: $752.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4 5
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $12, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 2 J T ($34, 2 players)
CO bets $16, Hero raises to $48, CO calls.

Turn: 9 ($130, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: J ($130, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $80, CO raises all-in $256.6, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $176.6 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $290

I doubt he has anything at all but he was lucky enough to bluff when you had 5-high. I would insta-call that with AT.

I disagree. I feel he has one of the possible fullhouses by the time the river comes. JT or 22 seem likely.

K-Q or A-J probably.

Did he seem to you to be on a draw on the flop? You can often tell by the speed of an opponents call in situations like this.

I think he has Jx. His line makes me think his hand wasn't made solid until the river. If it was made before (like a set), then if he slowplays the turn, I expect him to bet the river. If his hand shows up on the river, it is expectable that he slowplays it because he doesn't want to tip you off he has the J, so you bet, and he can c/r.

So he bet the flop, lost his confidence because of your raise so checked on the turn, then with the second J figured his hand was good but he didn't want to be too obvious so he checked hoping you would bet, which you did. Let's say AJ/KJ.

Why did you not bet the turn? Were you worried about K-Q?

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Why did you not bet the turn? Were you worried about K-Q?

raise for free card?

if the villian has TT, i like his line. i think thats one of his most likely hands with JT.

Like others have said, I think this is rarely a bluff. I think he has AJ/JT/TT/JJ/KQ.

I would also bet more on the river, like 100-130, since you are giving pretty good odds for an overpair to call. How often do you take this line (raise flop, check turn, bet river) with made hands, and what types of hands?

If the "bit loose-passive" description is accurate, I think there's no way this is a bluff. He could easily have KQ or AJ here. A few other hands are possible (TT, 22, JJ) but his line is very weird if he had any of those.

Why did you not bet the turn? Were you worried about K-Q?

I didn't think there were a lot of hands that would call the flop c/r but fold to the turn bet. A c/r ai with JJ/TT/JT/AJ/KQ/QQ+ was likely too so i was happy to take the free card.

I would also bet more on the river, like 100-130, since you are giving pretty good odds for an overpair to call. How often do you take this line (raise flop, check turn, bet river) with made hands, and what types of hands?

My value bet would've been 80 too. In this particular hand I could take this line with AJ/KJ/QJ probably (check behind for pot control), anything better I'd be looking for an all-in at the turn.

Anyway, I think Villain's c/r is very good. I either had nothing (missed draw) or a strong hand (Jx etc.) so a check was probably the best choice.

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I disagree. I feel he has one of the possible fullhouses by the time the river comes. JT or 22 seem likely.

I don't play at the $2/4 limits, but I can honestly say I've never seen people raise in EP with 22 or JT at $25 and 50 NL.

I'de feel confident with AT here.

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I disagree. I feel he has one of the possible fullhouses by the time the river comes. JT or 22 seem likely.

I don't play at the $2/4 limits, but I can honestly say I've never seen people raise in EP with 22 or JT at $25 and 50 NL.

I'de feel confident with AT here.

then..uh..how about TT? TT=JT pretty much.

I don't think J-T, 2-2 or T-T are very likely. That would require that he first be willing to play the hand fast, then suddenly slow play when his opponent is showing strength anyways, and also offer a free card on a draw-heavy board. I think most players would just reraise here on the flop with these holdings after leading.

I agree with saxton on that, those hands don't make much sense unless he's just plain erratic in his betting. But AJ and KQ are possible, and beating you.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

Like others have said, I think this is rarely a bluff.

Touche. The three or four times that I've called someone down when they took this line, they've been bluffing every single time, and it just doesn't seem like a sensible line to take with a big hand. That being said, I'll defer to your experience.

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

I don't play at the $2/4 limits, but I can honestly say I've never seen people raise in EP with 22 or JT at $25 and 50 NL.

I'de feel confident with AT here.

Raising JTs or 22 UTG is VERY standard short-handed. If you insta-call with AT here everytime, you will lose a ton of money in the long run.

I don't know why you guys are talking about utg raising, this guy is in the cutoff. It looks like to me he had at least 2 pair on the flop and was going to reraise you all in on the turn if you bet, but you checked so he waited til the river. If you reraise all in on the flop with a set here, what hands are going to call you besides KQc. 99 could also be a possibility if he put you on the flush draw. The way you played it I would probably have checked the river. If you want to bet the river you should probably have bet the turn.

I think the only hand hero is repping here is a flush draw that didn't get there.