Strong Hand Underrepped vs Aggro Deepstacked

Villain is what I’d call a SuperTagg (16/13/11). We have mainly avoided each other.

This is my standard flop line w TPTK, especially this deep (since villain isn’t the type to stack off with TPGK here and I can maximize value on later streets while controlling the pot).

What I didn’t notice – while 6-tabling – was that there was a shorty in the pot! This complicates things since my hand is way underrepped…

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: crackmasta ( $529.20 )
Seat 2: HERO ( $513.30 )
Seat 3: Pavel55 ( $221.75 )
Seat 5: jokke27 ( $330.85 )
Seat 6: Pilipinen ( $361.23 )
Seat 4: GH111333 ( $100 )
Pilipinen posts small blind [$1].
crackmasta posts big blind [$2].
GH111333 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO [ Ac Ks ]
HERO raises [$9]
Pavel55 folds.
GH111333 calls [$7]
jokke27 folds.
Pilipinen folds.
Crackmasta calls

** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Kh, 7c ]

crackmasta checks.
HERO checks.
GH111333 checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]

crackmasta checks.
HERO bets [$21]
GH111333 calls [$21]
Crackmasta raises [$79]

HERO thinks…

bump

Even if you have no legitimate advice, chime in for fun? This was one of the spots that confused me the most over the past little while.

I say he's got to be in pretty good shape to be raising you and a cold caller on the turn and I don't think that small of a raise is meant to get you out. Plus with the shorty cold-callng your initial bet villian has to consider that he is most likely calling his raise because shorties suck like that.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I guess I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see 77 here.

Weeee donkey reads

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I was going to post in this earlier but I didn't want to give out any donkish advice. I saved my advice and was going to see if it was the consensus. Here it goes:

When you underrepresent your hand or check to induce a bluff and the consequent action occurs don't you have to follow through? He obv didn't miss a flop c/r or he would have led the turn. He either has a hand so strong he can give two free cards or he is making a play at you. YOUR hand looks like TT/JJ/QQ. Maybe he's getting frisky here trying to blow you off the pot, however, the coldcaller makes me think he has a monster more times than he has air/medium strength hand.

Is it too bad to call and evaluate his river bet? I guess I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see 77 here.

seems like good advice to me

The big problem is the shorty.

It makes it both MORE likely and LESS likely that he would be bluffing (more since there's more dead money in a pot where both the shorty and I look weak, but less likely since his line is so weird and will get looked up light after he checks twice OOP).

Goddamm you, poker.

I think I'd just fold. hopefully I wouldn't be getting leveled but I'd just give a tight opp credit here.
I guess you could call and hope the shorty calls and protects the pot, but I think you're often beat.

my reasoning -- I think he could have KQ, or maybe like 8hTh, or even bluff with a worse pair.
but a SC seems unlikely since he's so tight and a raise on the turn usually isn't a draw. a bluff with a worse pair just seems unlikely but with 11AF I guess u never know.
but like you said, he's doing this with a probable call station involved which makes a bluff seem even less likely (this is where I hope I'm not being leveled..)
also I can see the "supertag" checking twice with a big hand, since he was in a good spot to c/r the flop, but now you prob bet a wider range on the turn for value and protection.

edit...actually this is a real tough decision between calling or folding. i dont think raising is good though.

he isnt going to check with an average hand and then c/r is he?
its got to be a monster or a bluff.
Really depends what i think of this guy here. How does he play his sets, because im prob tempted to call then donk/folding to raise.

If he's hyper-aggro then you're probably facing another big bet on the river, right? I'm sure 77/99 make up a big part of his range here. If you really think he's tight and that he's been avoiding you, I'm leaning towards a crying fold.

Originally Posted by larsmars

If he's hyper-aggro then you're probably facing another big bet on the river, right? I'm sure 77/99 make up a big part of his range here. If you really think he's tight and that he's been avoiding you, I'm leaning towards a crying fold.

Yeah this is an example of an interesting LAGG-TAGG matchup.

Compare our stats :

me : 38/23/2

him : 15/12/11 (LOL @ 11!) so he's nitty preflop, but super aggro postflop.



Such a sick sick spot since he can't put me on the hand I have. I folded fwiw ; a good example of the TAGG pwning the LAGG. For all you taggies out there, this is an example of an awesome "mixup" play.

What can I call with here? If I have AA, the hand plays exactly the same, which is what makes it so sick.

omg call turn please

Originally Posted by nutsinho

omg call turn please

lol even if he showed 7777?

If he's bluffing you just have to say NH and move on. You can't do anything about it, just fold.

i so lean towards a call here but i really am in the 'hero calling' group of midstakes players.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i so lean towards a call here but i really am in the 'hero calling' group of midstakes players.

me 2 which is what made this such an unusual spot for me to fold

i think folding is horrible, but less horrible than calling and calling a river push. He so has the nuts or air here.

Do you see a guy this aggro shutting down on the river with air here?

So u likey call turn/fold river?

The reason I felt that wouldn't work was that this villain is betting the river sooo often imo...

i should have writen 'more horrible than'
If i call the turn im c/cing a river all in too.

we're almost 300bb's deep

When I read it I felt like the only hand his line represented was 77 or possibly 99, and it's a standard spot for a thinking and/or aggro player to bluff. There are numerous semi-bluffs he could be making; if a scary card comes on the river and he bets a lot you can fold, but im happy to call again on a total blank. call me a calling station but folding this turn is super weak

Originally Posted by nutsinho

When I read it I felt like the only hand his line represented was 77 or possibly 99, and it's a standard spot for a thinking and/or aggro player to bluff. There are numerous semi-bluffs he could be making; if a scary card comes on the river and he bets a lot you can fold, but im happy to call again on a total blank. call me a calling station but folding this turn is super weak

agreed

I don't use Poker Tracker that much, so correct me if I'm way off here, but...

If he's SuperTagg 16/13, isn't his calling range pre-flop from the big blind something like 22-TT? How could he be semi-bluffing? AhQh?

Wouldn't a tagg lead 77/99 on a flop containing a king?

The double c/r has got to be air/77