Stupid hand Max says I should post.

Villain is a fishy reg i dont see much, genereally nitty, im guessing he is likely to have a pp or something or AQ when he calles pre, i doubt he doesn't three bet AA/QQ.

Also does what you do change if the turn isn't a Q?

POKERSTARS GAME #9529738468: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/04/21 - 02:53:09 (ET)
Table 'Megaira' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chicoflash ($263.10 in chips)
Seat 2: ckingusc ($228.80 in chips)
Seat 3: bluejayclub ($69.35 in chips)
Seat 4: gillis1919 ($48.85 in chips)
Seat 5: redgrape ($331.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Ldonnie ($527.50 in chips)
gillis1919: posts small blind $1
redgrape: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ks Kc]
Ldonnie: raises $6 to $8
chicoflash: calls $8
ckingusc: folds
bluejayclub: folds
gillis1919: folds
redgrape: raises $28 to $36
Ldonnie: folds
chicoflash: calls $28
*** FLOP *** [4c 6d Qc]
redgrape: bets $40
chicoflash: calls $40
*** TURN *** [4c 6d Qc] [Qs]
redgrape: checks
chicoflash: bets $75
redgrape:

Against him I c/r AI on any non Q turn. With the Q I call, he likes to float SCs and other assorted junk especially when he has 1 pair. He is likely to have a 6 just as likely as to have a Q. He also calls with AQ,KJ,QJ, type stuff preflop after a raise.

Ok, here's where i defend myself. Danny thinks the turn is a fold, i disagree.

I don't get why you wouldn't post stats, Danny. This guy (according to Danny) was 25/14, AF 2, 560 hand sample. His only read is that he is "kinda fishy."

Here is my thought process on this hand:
Preflop: i agree this guy probably doesn't have AA or QQ. I'm sure everyone here agrees that this looks like a pocket pair. The only other hand i could think of is AQ (slimmer possibility KQ), which would make a lot of sense actually. A lot of times when i see this play the opponent will show up with 88-JJ.

I'm leaning towards AQ, JJ-88 as a heavy part of his range. But Iowobviously 22-77 are als a part and maybe AJs and KQs.

Flop: The fact that he called your bet doesn't change that much. On a flop like that, he wasn't planning on folding. i'd say that 22-JJ are still possibilities here, as well as AQ/KQ and AJ that has a FD.

Turn: Danny, i'm sure you agree with me up until this point. And i agree with the check here, although betting wouldn't be bad either (you still may get calls from JJ-99, which will probably check behind the river).

But i think you are putting his betting range way too tight. This isn't just 44, 66, KQ and AQ, dude. This isn't a bluff either. Although this bet may not make sense to you with a JJ-88 or worse type of hand, it may make sense to him. I don't think you can throw JJ-88 out of his range with that bet because he's probably "protecting his hand" or thinks his hand is good here. To you, this logic may make no sense, but to him, it very well could, especially if he's "kinda a fish" like you said.

I call this down. The pot is pretty big already, and by calling the turn there's no way you can fold the river because you'll be too commited at that point (although if he bets the river his range is narrowed down a whole lot more). Folding is too nitty especially from an aggro player like you who probably has an image of three-betting at least a bit lightly.

Oh yeah if the turn is a non Q i check/push the turn.

"Although this bet may not make sense to you with a JJ-88 or worse type of hand, it may make sense to him."

good point. i think alot of people should read over this and understand it and they will get better at hand reading.

as for the hand, i like calling and check folding river. this answer changes though depending on how he views you and maybe some info that one of you has neglected posting.

I'm the n00b. max u win.

I folded.

I posted all info, besides a slim possibility that opp thinks im doing this light but doubtful.

I was planning on c/p non Q pair boards.

the c/p turn line is so overused now imo

Originally Posted by gabe

the c/p turn line is so overused now imo

so your saying i shouldn't use it here? I agree with what your saying but it seems like the best move here on a non Q turn.