Thought checkup plz

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($49.75)
UTG+1 ($50.00)
CO ($96.05)
Hero ($61.05)
SB ($74.95)
BB ($62.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $9,


Villain has been a 25/18/3 yawnmonger over the past 40 hands.

Am I right that if he calls flop I should give up because his range is weighted towards strong and superstrong hands?

why 3bet a marginal hand against an UTG raiser, even if hes 25/18?

I play same

yeah i never 3 bet AJo vs. UTG especially with no reads. im assuming you wouldve posted them if you had them. as played, i bet flop like $10.5 or $11. call shove.

The 3 bet is pretty bad, you are getting called a lot by dominating hands.

That is a great flop - if villain just calls then I'd usually almost 2 barrel as if villain had a really strong hand that he was willing to play for stacks with he would raise the flop as generally people dont slowplay on that sort of board.

Call is OK preflop but I lean towards folding. As played bet the flop and get it in.

i would fold preflop but now barrel off

i dont mind the 3bet at all. i'll generally mix it up here w/ about 25% 3bets and 70% calls vs this type of player. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

as far as the rest of the hand, i bet big on this flop, like nearly pot and barrel all in on the turn if he flat calls for the reason that i want to protect my hand when it's AJhh rather tahn AhJs or whatever.

I've recently started playing non drawing hands on this board like 2 pr, a set, or tptk w/ no FD kinda slow on the flop to see if a 4th flush card falls on the turn, that way villain is getting the money in w/ far less equity the times he has just a naked draw or whatever. but that's kinda off topic.

Originally Posted by Marshall28

i dont mind the 3bet at all. i'll generally mix it up here w/ about 25% 3bets and 70% calls vs this type of player. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

as far as the rest of the hand, i bet big on this flop, like nearly pot and barrel all in on the turn if he flat calls for the reason that i want to protect my hand when it's AJhh rather tahn AhJs or whatever.

I've recently started playing non drawing hands on this board like 2 pr, a set, or tptk w/ no FD kinda slow on the flop to see if a 4th flush card falls on the turn, that way villain is getting the money in w/ far less equity the times he has just a naked draw or whatever. but that's kinda off topic.

Why should losing a big pot affect this decision? Unless you couldn't reload and have no stack left?

I think the 3 bet isn't terrible but I don't like the call at all. You're not the aggressor and I think you're going to get into a lot of situations where you hit the board but are highly dominated.

I would much rather 3 bet this hand in blind vs a villain LP raise then an UTG raise.

Originally Posted by Marshall28

i dont mind the 3bet at all. i'll generally mix it up here w/ about 25% 3bets and 70% calls vs this type of player. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

as far as the rest of the hand, i bet big on this flop, like nearly pot and barrel all in on the turn if he flat calls for the reason that i want to protect my hand when it's AJhh rather tahn AhJs or whatever.

I've recently started playing non drawing hands on this board like 2 pr, a set, or tptk w/ no FD kinda slow on the flop to see if a 4th flush card falls on the turn, that way villain is getting the money in w/ far less equity the times he has just a naked draw or whatever. but that's kinda off topic.

As far as being more likely to fold if you lost a big pot recently, would't this make you more likely to play the hand, as villains won't give you as much credit when you have a decent hand such as AJ?

I like the idea about getting it the turn in reraised pots due to villains having a lot less equity when a big part of their range is a flush draw

Also the thing with threebetting AJ is - are you happy if an A flops?

Originally Posted by Toadstool

Also the thing with threebetting AJ is - are you happy if an A flops?

Not if we don't know how to fold TPMehK.

losing a big pot doesnt affect the decision at all .. .its all about trying to get the money in w/ the highest % equity. if u have a draw, your equity will be higher on the flop, if you have a made hand vs a draw, if the draw misses on the turn, you will have higher equity getting it in on the turn.

well, if you are 3betting, wouldnt u expect to get 4bet more often from a UTG raiser since it's more likely he has a bigger hand (but doesnt necessarily have to)? also, if u r 3betting and not calling, it means u r 3betting as a bluff/semi bluff because you dont think you have the best hand ... against a 25/18 or whatever he was, AJ is probably ahead of his range, when i play this style im opening all sorts of suited connectors and stuff like kj kq qj UTG.

and lastly, like, if u hit the flop, at some point you have to raise, so you can just take the initiative later if u hit a J or A high flop, or flop some kind of draw. I like to do this because it really mixes up my range for raising the flop since i dont only do it w/ sets and draws, if i called and hit top pr on the flop i can be doing it w/ that also ... makes it very hard for villain to put a read on what your raise means//plus i mix in bluffs occasionally on good boards.

and obviously anybody would rather 3bet this hand from the blinds vs a LP raiser, but that's not the situation that we were discussing, u know?

Originally Posted by Marshall28

. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

I don't understand why losing a big pot makes your image bad. If I lose 300BB AI pf with AA vs KK who hit a K I'm not going to look bad. It's not really a big deal in the overall thinking of the thread; I simply don't like the assertion. Apologies if this is beating a dead horse.

Originally Posted by bigred

Originally Posted by Marshall28

. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

I don't understand why losing a big pot makes your image bad. If I lose 300BB AI pf with AA vs KK who hit a K I'm not going to look bad. It's not really a big deal in the overall thinking of the thread; I simply don't like the assertion. Apologies if this is beating a dead horse.

I'd think you could well be tilting and look you up a bit lighter though.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by bigred

Originally Posted by Marshall28

. only times i'd fold are when my image is bad cuz i just lost a big pot or got caught bluffing or something like that.

I don't understand why losing a big pot makes your image bad. If I lose 300BB AI pf with AA vs KK who hit a K I'm not going to look bad. It's not really a big deal in the overall thinking of the thread; I simply don't like the assertion. Apologies if this is beating a dead horse.

I'd think you could well be tilting and look you up a bit lighter though.

yeah, basically what ash said is it. after losing a big pot or getting caught in a bluff, i have to tighten back up because i can no longer gauge what level villain thinks im on as he could think im steaming or whatever and it would be pretty much impossible to interpret the meaning behind his plays since he might be thinking on a completely different level altogether now, i jsut can't know, and that's basically why i tighten back up and might fold this under those circumstances....