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  1. #1

    Default Thoughts on all streets pls

    Not really any reads, nor did anything really stick out about opponents style up to this point. Were both playing pretty standard. Thoughts on all streets please?




    PokerStars Game #53809913938: Tournament #338807475, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2010/12/06 2:29:05 ET
    Table '338807475 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: alpraz79 (1831 in chips)
    Seat 2: hero (1169 in chips)
    alpraz79: posts small blind 15
    hero: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to hero [9c 4c]
    alpraz79: calls 15
    hero: checks
    *** FLOP *** [9d 8c 6d]
    hero: bets 60
    alpraz79: calls 60
    *** TURN *** [9d 8c 6d] [Ks]
    hero: checks
    alpraz79: bets 60
    hero: raises 180 to 240
    alpraz79: calls 180
    *** RIVER *** [9d 8c 6d Ks] [As]
    hero: checks
    alpraz79: bets 420
    hero: ???
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    I don't know why you opted to c/r turn as opposed to just betting it? Fold now.
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    On the turn, you could b/f or maybe c/c. C/r'ing turns your hand into a bluff and only gets called by better. Once villain calls the turn c/r and bets again on the river, you're beat. Don't call. So, what kmind said, basically.
  4. #4
    yup +1 for fold now.....bet/fold or ck call turn...c/r makes no sense
  5. #5
    I check raised turn because I felt I had a ton of equity in the hand still. Alot of draws (diamonds, 7 for the str8) plus unders ( any 6 or 8) hes betting with on turn to protect his hand (if he thinks I have a draw) and/or steal (if he has a lower pair then me) Thoughts on me thinking like this? Reason I didnt want to fire again on turn was because I was hoping opp might check and slow down the pot in case I was beat. But when that didnt happen I had to improvise and felt I still had alot of equity
    Last edited by tryn2improve; 12-12-2010 at 10:54 PM.
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    Turn c/r is a little unorthodox but def not super terrible. This is one ugly river, but I'd still call it off.
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    I personally feel that since this is a limp pot, why commit yourself so much? on a flop 986 two diamond, you bet he flats, we can first put him on a range like what kind of hands he might have? any Ax or Kx diamond suited or suited diamond connectors he will probably raise preflop.Any 2 pictures cards he will also raise. Any Ax he is gonna rasie too. Callng on the button most of the time i feel they are just holding junk hands, calling to play postflop see if they hit anything because they have position.

    Flop comes 986 and u bet fullpot on the flop, he calls there, either he has flop the straight with his junk hands or I think he has a 7 + random card alot of the time. I think because if he floped the straight he probably will raise for value and also preventing flush draw from seeing the turn. That why when he flated your fullpot there i am pretty sure he is holding a 7 plus random. Maybe holding 47o, 7Qo, 7Jo, 72o somewhere along this line I feel. Turn came Ks,you checked, I personally feel that this shows that you are afraid of the K, i mean if you are holding a strong hand like any 2 pairs or have already made the straight on the flop why would u check there? That why when he is in position, holding 7 + random he will definitely bet the turn to archieve 2 things, 1) hope you fold there and he takes down the pot 2) at the same time build up the pot so if the river made his straight can get more money.

    Check raising the turn really show alot of strength in your hand, you are trying to tell him that look i have something really strong, but the thing is on a 986K board no raise preflop no flush complete, you check raise there basically i think u can only represent a 2 pairs hand cause if you flop staight u would have continue to bet turn since you bet flop. Therefore, I think that he called your turn raise hoping to hit river so that u can maximum extract your whole stack if he hits the river knowing that you are never gonna flod on the river when you represented such strong hand. And even if he doesnt hit his river, any flush card comes on the river will allow him to have a chance to represent and bet you out. Basically, check raising the turn definitely does not show that you are flush drawing.

    River comes a As, no flush complete, no straight complete, personally I would actually bet a small amount on the river instead to induce him to bluff or even though he doesnt bluff he probably call u off light. However, you check on the river showed a lot of weakness, cause 2 pairs hands would not do that when no straight no flush complete. Basically you are just telling him you have one pair, and with him in position he is definitely going to bet the river so that you will fold there.

    (Guys, this is my first time posting I hope what i said make sense and please excuse my writing skills as I am not really good at english. I hope my opinion helps )
  8. #8
    Thank you pockets and dodgybear for the very extensive reply . I think you made some very reasonable assumptions and valid points dodgy.However I dont know why " Basically, check raising the turn definitely does not show that you are flush drawing.".What makes you think opp shouldnt think im on a flush draw?. Also, We all couldnt have been more wrong.I made call on river and he showed two pair with ace/king...Nothing made sense at all to me and reason I posted this hand
  9. #9
    Dear High Card I am really surprised that he has AK there... I can never put him on that hand on button not raising there and limp calling preflop limp calling flop... I am sorry that all the assumption i made was wrong...

    Regarding the point that you were asking you dont understand why check raising the turn doesnt make you think like u are on flush draw? In my own point of view I feel that usually I will not do a check raise with a flush draw on the turn because u have only 9outs there to hit the river i mean I will do that unless I am on a super combo draw, this is my own point of view so I am not sure whether its right or wrong.

    Especially during heads up, I feel that the range of cards are so wide and there are so many different style of playing your hands. That what I like about playing heads up its so fun and alot to learn

    I hope some pros will give a better explannation on how they feel about this hand
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