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Tp +oesd and led into on flop

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  1. #1

    Default Tp +oesd and led into on flop

    I felt i played this hand pretty poorly. I ddin't know what to make of being led into on the flop, and wanted to just call for pot control. On the rivr, i thought my bet was a value bet.

    ***** Hand History for Game 4993437553 *****
    $100 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 21, 00:14:56 ET 2006
    Table Monster #1292967 (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 5
    Seat 2: iriemon61 ( $0 )
    Seat 3: LDMIII ( $140.67 )
    Seat 4: bigsacks ( $100 )
    Seat 5: Wahoo61 ( $112.12 )
    Seat 6: AATrain01 ( $94 )
    LDMIII posts small blind [$0.50].
    Wahoo61 posts big blind [$1].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kd Jh ]
    >You have options at Monster #1292497 Table!.
    AATrain01 raises [$4].
    ty
    iriemon61 has left the table.
    LDMIII calls [$3.50].
    Wahoo61 folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, Qs, Th ]
    LDMIII bets [$9.61].
    AATrain01 calls [$9.61].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
    >You have options at Monster #1292604 Table!.
    LDMIII bets [$19.01].
    AATrain01 calls [$19.01].
    ** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
    ChesnoeSlovo has joined the table.
    LDMIII checks.
    >You have options at Monster #1292604 Table!.
    >You have options at Monster #1291548 Table!.
    AATrain01 bets [$24].
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    I would have reraised the flop and taken a free card on turn.
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  3. #3
    ^^

    In order to be a value bet, a worse hand must be able to call. At best here you are chopping with any hand that calls.
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    Check river behind, rest of the hand is fine.
  5. #5
    I would discount the idea of the made straight leading into you like that, although I do this play quite often and hope to get raised by top pair. I think the call or raise can go either way, though its less likely because you have a king in your hand, you could be up against, AK or KQ. In both of these situations, a reraise would hurt you because you may end up pondering an all-in. Other hands I would assume that would lead into you would be QT here or QJ. Middle pair with an open-ended straight draw would be a good semi-bluffing hand if I put you on a king or not. You could also be up against a set and I think a set would bet out hard because of the heavy draws so calling in attempt to keep the pot small was probably your best bet. I would not have bet the river because it's very few hands they you are ahead of. AK, KQ, QT, and any set ( I don't there's much of a possivility for AT but maybe) so, the check behind would probably be your best bet.
  6. #6
    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($0)
    SB ($140.67)
    BB ($112.12)
    Hero ($94)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
    Hero raises to $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold.

    Flop: ($9) K, Q, T (3 players)
    SB bets $9.61, Hero calls $9.61.

    Turn: ($28.22) 4 (3 players)
    SB bets $19.01, Hero calls $19.01.

    River: ($66.24) T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $24.

    Final Pot: $90.24

    Any reads on our opponent? We really dont beat much at all here and against a tight opponent who donks flops with strengths I could fold this flop because a solid player wont pay us off if we hit our straight outs, but without a read Im going to call here. The turn I think Im finding a fold, I honestly dont know if we have a single "clean" out. The straight outs will win it, but are incredibly obvious and we cant expect them to pay us off if we hit. If we hit our kicker it also puts 4 to a straight on the board, and if we hit another K we still dont know if we are ahead.

    On the river, against an unknown, what worse hands are calling you here? K9-?
  7. #7
    I like the flop and turn call because it's a pot sized bet. If we raise we put our selves in a position where we either fold or commit ourselves to the hand if there is any more action. I don't want to have to fold my OESD on the turn.

    River is a check behind for sure though.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
    I like the flop and turn call because it's a pot sized bet. If we raise we put our selves in a position where we either fold or commit ourselves to the hand if there is any more action. I don't want to have to fold my OESD on the turn.

    River is a check behind for sure though.
    But since it is a PSB we are not getting odds to call on either street, do we really think we are going to get paid off here if any of our outs hit?

    Ive seen this same situation posted in several threads, the OP has an OESD using 1 hole card and is calling down PSBs with it. Now, maybe thats fine, I really dont know, but to me it just doesnt seem like we are getting the implied odds here, especially against an unknown opponent.

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