TPTK troubles

UTG is 40/20/3
UTG+1 is 21/16/3.5

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.76
UTG+1: $102.58
CO: $58.10
Button: $98.50
SB: $122.61
Hero: $172.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A Q
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: Q 4 8 ($12.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $9, Hero raises to $25, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises all-in $89.58, Hero ???

well utg+1 has 44 or 88 here almost always so fold. but i would just 3bet this pf.

3-bet this please. as played its a fold without reads.

Originally Posted by bode

3-bet this please. as played its a fold without reads.

Why do you want 3bet oop here? I think we fold out the hands that pay us off the best, and leave hands that are harder to play against in a big pot. Also, unless you make a large 3 bet, you are are getting called by setminers. Gonna have to be at least $20, and UTG is still to act. I wouldn't fault a 3 bet, it's just a bit riskier. If we then get called, we have to lead for another $30 and we're probably whiffing the flop. If we do hit and we're beat, we're stacking off. I don't like it.

I also think hero should lead here. I hate check-raises on flops in multiway pots, you can get yourself into some sick spots

as played its a super easy fold, you'd be crazy to pay him off.

as a rule, if you hit top pair, bet. Don't check.

chop at best....

Does a set push all in on a flop like this, where there are no draws at all ?
If I had a set here I would probably just call the reraise and try to get his whole stack.

I didnt feel comfortable 3 betting AQ OOP against a UTG raiser and UTG+1 calling. Maybe that's weaksauce.

Originally Posted by mixchange

Originally Posted by bode

3-bet this please. as played its a fold without reads.

Why do you want 3bet oop here? I think we fold out the hands that pay us off the best, and leave hands that are harder to play against in a big pot. Also, unless you make a large 3 bet, you are are getting called by setminers. Gonna have to be at least $20, and UTG is still to act. I wouldn't fault a 3 bet, it's just a bit riskier. If we then get called, we have to lead for another $30 and we're probably whiffing the flop. If we do hit and we're beat, we're stacking off. I don't like it.

I also think hero should lead here. I hate check-raises on flops in multiway pots, you can get yourself into some sick spots

as played its a super easy fold, you'd be crazy to pay him off.

as a rule, if you hit top pair, bet. Don't check.

well we do take the pot down for a nice pick up preflop a lot. also for setminers calling you act like that is a bad thing? so they miss most of the time and we win a bigger pot. if we get called we dont always have to cbet.

Originally Posted by evovolvo

Does a set push all in on a flop like this, where there are no draws at all ?
If I had a set here I would probably just call the reraise and try to get his whole stack.

I didnt feel comfortable 3 betting AQ OOP against a UTG raiser and UTG+1 calling. Maybe that's weaksauce.

yes a set pushes this. your not playing against yourself, a set could do this or call.
i guess you should get comfortable 3betting this.

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

Originally Posted by mixchange

Originally Posted by bode

3-bet this please. as played its a fold without reads.

Why do you want 3bet oop here? I think we fold out the hands that pay us off the best, and leave hands that are harder to play against in a big pot. Also, unless you make a large 3 bet, you are are getting called by setminers. Gonna have to be at least $20, and UTG is still to act. I wouldn't fault a 3 bet, it's just a bit riskier. If we then get called, we have to lead for another $30 and we're probably whiffing the flop. If we do hit and we're beat, we're stacking off. I don't like it.

I also think hero should lead here. I hate check-raises on flops in multiway pots, you can get yourself into some sick spots

as played its a super easy fold, you'd be crazy to pay him off.

as a rule, if you hit top pair, bet. Don't check.

well we do take the pot down for a nice pick up preflop a lot. also for setminers calling you act like that is a bad thing? so they miss most of the time and we win a bigger pot. if we get called we dont always have to cbet.

If we kill their odds, its great if they call. I guess I worded it funny, I just meant we needed to raise enough, not to $16 but to $20.

I like taking down the pot, but I woudl be more inclined to 3bet oop here if it wasn't UTG and UTG+1, which is more likely we get called, and with decent hands. But all very opponent dependent...

Flop: Q 4 8 ($12.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $9, Hero raises to $25, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises all-in $89.58, Hero calls.

Turn: 2 ($200.66, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $191.66, Sidepot 1: $9)

River: 8 ($200.66, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $191.66, Sidepot 1: $9)

Results:
Final pot: $200.66
UTG+1 shows Kd Qd
Hero shows Ac Qc

I figured he would'nt push all in with a set on that dry flop, so I called.

I still think it's a fold unless he sucks postflop (which he obviously does), but I quite like a big squeeze pre here.

yep, it happens, make a note of the player's tendencies but its not the norm. Also, a pair of kings or aces probably pushes over you too.

Originally Posted by mixchange

yep, it happens, make a note of the player's tendencies but its not the norm. Also, a pair of kings or aces probably pushes over you too.

Doubt aces and kings just calls the raise UTG+1 though.
The only thing I was afraid of was 88, 44 and I was just hoping that he would play a set on this board like I would do

Looking back on this hand, I guess I should have just 3bet preflop, and lead out on the flop.

Originally Posted by evovolvo

Originally Posted by mixchange

yep, it happens, make a note of the player's tendencies but its not the norm. Also, a pair of kings or aces probably pushes over you too.

Doubt aces and kings just calls the raise UTG+1 though.
The only thing I was afraid of was 88, 44 and I was just hoping that he would play a set on this board like I would do

Looking back on this hand, I guess I should have just 3bet preflop, and lead out on the flop.

no less weird than stacking off without TPTK!