TPWK OOP?

I assume most of you don't raise preflop, but post flop, how are you playing it?

Opp is 60/20/0.9

PokerStars Game #4226791406: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/03/09 - 07:49:19 (ET)
Table 'Klare' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: McCurtain ($361.60 in chips)
Seat 2: gambero ($85.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Demiparadigm ($236.20 in chips)
Seat 5: fire157 ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 6: gdhh123 ($77.35 in chips)
McCurtain: posts small blind $0.50
gambero: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demiparadigm [9c Qc]
Demiparadigm: raises $2 to $3
fire157: folds
gdhh123: calls $3
McCurtain: folds
gambero: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3c Qs]
Demiparadigm: bets $4
gdhh123: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Jd 3c Qs] [8s]
Demiparadigm: bets $6
gdhh123: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3c Qs 8s] [4d]
Demiparadigm: checks
gdhh123: bets $12
Demiparadigm: calls $12
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gdhh123: shows [Qh As] (a pair of Queens)
Demiparadigm: mucks hand
gdhh123 collected $49.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.50 | Rake $2
Board [Jd 3c Qs 8s 4d]
Seat 1: McCurtain (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: gambero (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Demiparadigm mucked [9c Qc]
Seat 5: fire157 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: gdhh123 (button) showed [Qh As] and won ($49.50) with a pair of Queens

I dont bet the turn because the 8s completes a lot of draws and I want to control the potsize with a weak hand. River is read dependant.

I know you didnt want your prf action questioned, but this hand shows why I only raise hands like Q9s in position and never OOP. TPWK and draws are best played in position, and especially TPWK is a trap hand OOP. Are you just raising it for Shania?

Originally Posted by Robert

Are you just raising it for Shania?

Yes, exactly, and the fact that an UTG raise usually gets a lot of respect, and rarely goes to showdown. So there is intrinsic value in the raise itself, outside of your actual hand strength.

But isnt raising this dangerous when theres a really loose player on the button, who probably doesnt respect your UTG raise?

Originally Posted by Robert

But isnt raising this dangerous when theres a really loose player on the button, who probably doesnt respect your UTG raise?

Probably, but these players also fold post flop to continuation bets without something... So even when they call preflop, they are often just donating, as long as you can play better postflop poker.

If there is a definitive answer to the question posed by this hand, I can't wait to read it. Ditto if you DO have position.

I think if you are going to raise Q9s utg, you better bet it like a MOFO when you hit TPWK. Turn bet is a little weak... I probably call the river, too.