trouble spotting sets

everytime i get beat by a set w/ TPTK or 2pair hands and look over the HH, i never see a way to put him on it.

this hand may not be the optimal situation because of his short stack, but id like to hear ideas in general on how you spot sets and slow yourself down/find a fold with good hands.

im including the results. (HH converter isnt working for AP)


Stage #554477941: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2007-01-24 12:49:47 (ET)
Table: ZINNIA AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - GUNEVEZ1988 ($12.85 in chips)
Seat 2 - TRIBESMAN35 ($24.28 in chips)
Seat 3 - BODEIST ($51.15 in chips)
Seat 4 - TRUKPOKER ($50 in chips)
Seat 6 - MATHEW101 ($12.50 in chips)
TRIBESMAN35 - Posts small blind $0.10
BODEIST - Posts big blind $0.25
TRUKPOKER - Posts $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BODEIST [Ks Ac]
TRUKPOKER - Checks
MATHEW101 - Folds
GUNEVEZ1988 - Calls $0.25
TRIBESMAN35 - Calls $0.15
BODEIST - Raises $1.25 to $1.50
TRUKPOKER - Folds
GUNEVEZ1988 - Calls $1.25
TRIBESMAN35 - Calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [8s Ad 5h]
TRIBESMAN35 - Checks
BODEIST - Bets $3
GUNEVEZ1988 - Calls $3
TRIBESMAN35 - Folds
*** TURN *** [8s Ad 5h] [10d]
BODEIST - Bets $8.50
GUNEVEZ1988 - All-In $8.35
BODEIST - returned ($0.15) : not called
*** RIVER *** [8s Ad 5h 10d] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GUNEVEZ1988 - Shows [8c 8h] (Full house, eights full of tens)
BODEIST - Shows [Ks Ac] (Two Pair, aces and tens)
GUNEVEZ1988 Collects $26.10 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($27.45) | Rake ($1.35)
Board [8s Ad 5h 10d 10c]
Seat 1: GUNEVEZ1988 (dealer) won Total ($26.10) All-In HI$26.10) with Full house, eights full of tens [8c 8h - B:8s,P:8h,P:8c,B:10d,B:10c]
Seat 2: TRIBESMAN35 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: BODEIST (big blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, aces and tens [Ks Ac - B:Ad,P:Ac,B:10d,B:10c,P:Ks]
Seat 4: TRUKPOKER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: MATHEW101 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Yeah there's no way you're getting away from that hand. Pretty much the most obvious way to spot sets is to see how the guy plays a set and when you see that betting pattern again consider a fold. It's tough, a lot of times you have to go broke against them.

he has less than half a stack. You're never getting away here.

No offense, but that hand is a terrible example because he is so short.
Watch for people in EP to limp/call and then be aggressive with the hand. That is a set's best indicator. A lot of the time I go broke to sets, but that is why our bankrolls are 20-40 buy ins deep.

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

GUNEVEZ1988 - Calls $0.25
TRIBESMAN35 - Calls $0.15
BODEIST - Raises $1.25 to $1.50
TRUKPOKER - Folds
GUNEVEZ1988 - Calls $1.25

I agree with Silly string, definitely bad example since he's so short. But the above is your first clue, and then suddenly an EP player playing back at you on an A high flop after you raised PF.

In this case he couldn't play back at you cause he was so short, but often he might lead the flop, check raise flop, or check raise turn. Either way, an EP limper is happy with an A high board against a PF raiser, so you gotta ask yourself why.

I think its harder to spot sets when you raise in EP, and then are called by a pocket pair behind you. OOP sucks.

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

this hand may not be the optimal situation because of his short stack, but...

i realize this hand isnt the best example, but it was the most recent HH i had access too since im at work.

i guess the EP limp/call is a good indicator when they start getting aggressive. I also see the inherent disadvantage to beind OOP when you raise something like AK from EP. I guess thats why we have BR managment.

thanks for the replies.