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Two flush draw hands, im clueless!

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  1. #1

    Default Two flush draw hands, im clueless!

    1) Do I just push flop here instead of 3x to 18$? I just feel wierd when pushing 100$ into a 16$ pot or wtv. Do you fold to his 4bet?

    Full Tilt Poker
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.50/$1
    6 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $122.95
    UTG+1: $100
    CO: $103.55
    Hero: $119.15
    SB: $130.50
    BB: $254.90

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with
    UTG calls, [color:#cc0000]UTG+1 raises to $3[/color], CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

    Flop: ($12.5, 4 players)
    BB checks, UTG checks, [color:#cc0000]UTG+1 bets $6[/color], [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $18[/color], 2 folds, [color:#cc0000]UTG+1 raises to $51[/color], [color:#cc0000]Hero raises all-in $116.15[/color], [color:#cc0000]UTG+1 calls all-in $52[/color].
    Uncalled bets: $13.15 returned to Hero.

    Turn: : ($218.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $218.5)


    River: : ($218.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $218.5)


    Results:
    Final pot: $218.5


    2) This happened not too long after the first one, and it was still in the back of my mind so I decided to play it slowly. Then on river I'm just clueless. Suggestions?


    Full Tilt Poker
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.50/$1
    6 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $118.60
    UTG+1: $95.50
    CO: $77
    Button: $196.35
    SB: $107.30
    Hero: $167.10

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with
    2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($4, 4 players)
    SB checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $3[/color], CO folds, [color:#cc0000]Button raises to $10[/color], SB folds, Hero calls.

    Turn: ($24, 2 players)
    Hero checks, [color:#cc0000]Button bets $16.5[/color], Hero calls.

    River: ($57, 2 players)
    [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $30[/color], [color:#cc0000]Button raises all-in $168.85[/color].
    Hero pukes, then?

    Results:
    Final pot: $255.85
  2. #2
    Excuse me if I sound naive but I don't see what is wrong with hand 1? Is that not a dream flop for AQs? Pushing the flop chases the hands you have beat away. You have the draws so you are not scared of them. Why push?

    Only sets and over pairs have you beat.
    You have a draw to the nuts if UTG+1 has a set or overpair. I am never folding to the 4-bet and since you can assume he'll put you all in on the turn or shut down if you hit the flush it's best to get it all in here IMO.

    Would be very interested to see what the good players say.
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  3. #3
    Because usually 4-bet means better than just TPTK at these stakes. Agreed we can include KK-AA in his range, AQ, 99, 22, and possibly QQ, maybe also some flush draws. Here's what Pokerstove has to say:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 47.1092 % 41.05% 06.06% { AcQc }
    Hand 2: 52.8908 % 46.83% 06.06% { QQ+, 99, 22, JcTc, AQo }

    I guess its not terrible but not great either, thats why I'm asking the question.
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  4. #4
    with lots of money in the pot it sure is great.
  5. #5
    What about the 2nd hand? Easy call?
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  6. #6
    Actually second hand i puke all over the place and then manage to hit the fold button, last second.

    On hand 2 you aren't beating anything but a bluff and a bluff is unlikely.
  7. #7
    I folded...I beat AKo, which the guy told me he had:P
    I dont know, with all that money in the pot I think I made a mistake by not calling.
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  8. #8
    I play flop and turn a lot faster in hand 2.
  9. #9
    both great flops to get it in on. Raise Re-Raise all in etc...
  10. #10
    Hand 1 depends on how much you like getting all in as a slight dog in exchange for an overaggro image. If you're really worried about never getting it in behind then play it slow, more like hand 2

    Hand 2 depends entirely on villain. if he's bad and shipping it w AK or something ridiculous. Otherwise I'm torn. I probably fold more than 1/2 the time if villain is decent but it depends on flow of the game. 33 is a likely holding for him.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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