U wanna stack me? LOL I HAVE 2 PURRRR

Have played a few orbits. My image is solid after stacking a shorty with a boat. Haven't done anything crazy yet.

Villain seems aggro. No stats yet.

- domino43 sitting in seat 1 with $15.00
- VILLAIN sitting in seat 2 with $336.72
- HERO sitting in seat 3 with $279.00
- VemBryrSig sitting in seat 4 with $201.77 [Dealer]

domino43 posted the small blind - $1.00
VILLAIN posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to HERO:
HERO raised - $8.00
VemBryrSig folded
domino43 folded
VILLAIN called - $8.00

** Dealing the flop: :Js:
VILLAIN checked
HERO bet - $17.00
VILLAIN called - $17.00

** Dealing the turn:
VILLAIN checked
HERO bet - $25.50
VILLAIN raised - $75.00
HERO,,,

If you call what's the plan for the river?

i push here always unless villan is way out of line.

push is kinda bad imo as u put out ur stack to win a relatively small amount, that being said u r almost always ahead here.

if he pays off with worse then push or if u know he doesnt have set /nut str8/2pair.

i dont mind calling and calling a blank river.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

i push here always unless villan is way out of line.

I'm not saying I could fold this hand, but what hands do we expect to be beating here, that check raises the turn?

Of all flops, this is probably one of the worst for bottom two.

i hate calling here, because whenever the draw hits and its what they have and i lose river i always feel like an idiot for not making a move on the turn.

at the same time, reraising here seems bad too. this is a tough spot.

I hate two pair for this. I think I prefer the call turn call safe river line.

** Dealing card to HERO:
HERO raised - $8.00
VemBryrSig folded
domino43 folded
VILLAIN called - $8.00

** Dealing the flop: :Js:
VILLAIN checked
HERO bet - $17.00
VILLAIN called - $17.00

** Dealing the turn:
VILLAIN checked
HERO bet - $25.50
VILLAIN raised - $75.00
HERO called $49.50

** Dealing the river :

VILLAIN bets $120
HERO...

Question is who's ever folding this river after calling the turn?

the river is so much easier than the turn

I hit the check/call any button when I saw the river card.

Standard?

I think if youre calling the turn you have to call this river. Its about as safe a card as you can get.

Your turn bet is way too small, I'm betting close to the size of the pot here. A bigger bet will less likely be raised on a bluff/semi bluff, which makes the hand a lot easier to play.

I like a turn fold here as played. But if you call the turn, you definitely need to call the river on a blank like this.

villan is probably raising the flop here with anything reasonable if he's good so i dont get why we are scared. If opp got tricky so be it. What are we putting the guy on? 22?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

villan is probably raising the flop here with anything reasonable if he's good so i dont get why we are scared. If opp got tricky so be it. What are we putting the guy on? 22?

Maybe this only happens at 100NL or lower. But I see flopped straights wake up on the turn (instead of the flop) all the time. I'm not saying thats a good way to play it, but it definitely happens often enough to still be scared.

Lucky I pushed the check/call button.

Villain potted I called K8 is NO GOOT sir.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Lucky I pushed the check/call button.

Villain potted I called K8 is NO GOOT sir.

lol... wow weird line.

K8 of spades at least!?

So if you called a pot bet on the river, that means you were willing to stack off with this hand essentially. So whats the motivation behind not just pushing on the turn? what would you do facing a pot bet if an 8,Q or spade fell?

8, Q or S = click Check/Fold

I don't actually use the buttons a lot at all. This was just a situation where I figured there was no value in betting and a raise was pointless.

K8o btw. Weird line.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

8, Q or S = click Check/Fold

Now that I think about it, you might even fold to a push to a J or K on the river as well. Thats tons of cards you don't wanna see.

Ok, so you're folding to all obvious draws that complete on the river,with the intention of calling the pot size bet if none of these draws complete. So you're still paying off all the hands that were ahead of you on the turn (JJ,1010,99,J10,KQ etc...) so why not push the turn if thats the case?

Or were you hoping for a cheap showdown, and villain to check through or back down a bit?

Obviously in your case, you picked the best line because villain had nothing. But you would have given him the pot if a spade or 8 fell (and he would have still had K high). I don't know what the best play is here, I'm just trying to figure out the best line.

Seems if you're willing to fold the river to a non-draw card, you should just fold the turn. And if you're willing to stack off on the river to a non-draw card, you should just push the turn.

As I said, the flop is an obvious raise for a solid player, I thought this was at least a call.

Griffey what you're saying makes lots of sense.

Reason I think calling is o.k. is that villain isn't a robot and will react differently to a lot of different river cards.

If he's got the balls to shove the river when a spade hits then all the power to him. But that's one of the reasons that calling with a river plan can be best even if it seems illogical. Villain's line doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me so I want him to continue with his bluff if he's got crap. Don't forget that my line looks a lot like a spade draw so unless he's completely maniacal, he'll very likely check a spade on the river unless he has the flush himself, meaning that I'm not necessarily losing the pot just because a spade hits.