Is this way too passive?

Villain and I are both fullstacks. Table has been super rocky, with almost nothing seeing a turn.

25NL @ Stars.

Dealt to euphoricism [Ah Ad]
Xwing33: folds
iggyTT: raises $0.75 to $1
euphoricism: raises $2.50 to $3.50
Glferboy21: folds
Jef808: folds
sweghozt: folds
iggyTT: calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd 4s]
iggyTT: checks
euphoricism: bets $5
iggyTT: calls $5 I figure villain either for AK planning to eval a turn, or a slow TT. Maybe even 44, QJ.
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd 4s] [9d]
iggyTT: checks
euphoricism: checks ... I figure I'm way ahead of AK, but miles behind just about every other reasonable holding...

Maybe this is standard? I'm really trying to think about my NL play more. Whats the plan for the river? Call most reasonable sized bets? What size is reasonable?

I bet $10 and am happy to get the rest in.

I would only check behind here if I expect to draw a river auto-bet. In that case, I intend to raise that river bet if the river is not a non-Ace broadway.

I do expect to draw an autobet. I'm worried that autobet has me crushed, though.

After you bet the flop, the pot is like $17 and you have $16.50 behind. What do you consider a reasonable sized bet given those circumstances? I'd probably call a push.

IMO, if you think QJ, TT, and 44 are possibilities for his holding, you certainly can't rule out AK, KQ, KJ, QQ, and JJ, all of which fit Villain's line. I really don't like giving a free card, especially when any K, Q, or J will make it really tough to call the river.

Also, I think betting the pot ($7) on the flop makes this decision easier for you, since a call will leave you with $15 and a pot of $21, so you can just push the turn with no regrets.

IMO, if you think QJ, TT, and 44 are possibilities for his holding, you certainly can't rule out AK, KQ, KJ, QQ, and JJ all of which fit Villain's line. I really don't like giving a free card, especially when any K, Q, or J will make it really tough to call the river.

All of which are drawing obscenely thin, and probably wouldn't call a turn bet anyway... right? AK and KQ might, moreso the AK than the KQ. The rest probably not. KJ, QQ, and JJ all probably fold the turn to almost any bet.

So doesn't betting put me in a win least when ahead, lose most when behind situation?

Saying this about a random full stack at a 25NL table is absurd. Need more information about this guy before we go there.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

IMO, if you think QJ, TT, and 44 are possibilities for his holding, you certainly can't rule out AK, KQ, KJ, QQ, and JJ all of which fit Villain's line. I really don't like giving a free card, especially when any K, Q, or J will make it really tough to call the river.

All of which are drawing obscenely thin, and probably wouldn't call a turn bet anyway... right? AK and KQ might, moreso the AK than the KQ. The rest probably not. KJ, QQ, and JJ all probably fold the turn to almost any bet.

Obscenely thin? Depending on what he puts you on, all of those hands except AK have at least 6 outs as well as a chance to be ahead. KJ and KQ have 9.

Also, take into consideration that some people (particularly rocks) just fall in love with hands preflop and can't get away from them. In particular, hands like AK, KQs, and QQ will just look too pretty to fold getting 2:1 with a chance to be ahead and a number of outs for KQ and QQ.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

So doesn't betting put me in a win least when ahead, lose most when behind situation?

Maybe, maybe not. I think it depends on your image. If your preflop three bet range is wide enough and Villain is tired of folding postflop, he may be making a stand. Even nits do this once in a while, particularly with a pretty hand that you beat.

Anyway, if you assume Villain will fold the turn to any bet with those hands, I think it follows that he will often just check the river or perhaps make a small blocking bet on the river. Those hands are mediocre, so a player smart enough to fold the turn ought to realize that his best chance for making money is to let you bet the river with a weak hand. I think any amount he would bet or call on the river he would call on the turn, unless you just never follow through on the turn.

The only place you are losing value, IMO, is if this guy would bet the river with air. If he is "super rocky" like you described the table, do you really expect him to do that?

he has one pair or a set, so bet and probably call a push imo.

i cant see opp having QJ here, TT is possible, depends how our opp plays (i see limped TT al the time on stars) and AK is definite. Imbetting for value rather than pushing because i think AK may get away from a push.

eupho,

I bet a bit more on the flop and push turn. I need more info at NL25 to play this differently. Also, if opp indeed is rocky, I dont think you should be scared of QJ here (because he raise UTG+1)

Also, to many river cards destroy you action against rocky players