Weak KK play

I just couldn't see any hand that I beat rasing me with a 3rd diamond on the turn. Weak? Villain was 22/9 and I hadn't seen him get out of line prior.
***** Hand History for Game 4560547994 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Jun 20 22:43:08 EDT 2006
Table Union Dues (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: UTARL ( $106.06)
Seat 3: Possu81 ( $123.05)
Seat 4: SquereOptima ( $158.74)
Seat 5: Hero ( $105.45)
Seat 6: micksauce ( $98.50)
UTARL posts small blind (0.50)
Possu81 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd, Kc ]
SquereOptima calls (1)
Hero raises (5) to 5
micksauce folds.
UTARL calls (4.50)
Possu81 folds.
SquereOptima calls (4)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, Th, 3c ]
UTARL checks.
SquereOptima checks.
Hero bets (12)
UTARL folds.
SquereOptima calls (12)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
SquereOptima checks.
Hero bets (20)
SquereOptima raises (51.30) to 51.30
Hero folds.

I'm almost always checking the turn here, as played it's a pretty easy fold.

I think betting this turn really depends on what our read on opp is. But yes, I often check this turn here. And easy fold to his reraise, especially when you know he is standard TAG

dont bet, and especially dont call

Originally Posted by aislephive

I'm almost always checking the turn here

Interesting. Lets see..
If we bet:
1. A made flush will call or raise.
2. Ah w/ a Jack or Ten will call.
3. Non flush hands except sets or two pair will call.

If we check:
1. A made flush with bet.
2. A smart opponent w/ anything may bet to see if we will fold.
3. A hand with a heart will see a free card.
4. One pair, str8 draw or Ace hands will see a free card and possibly hit the river.

I think it's close but you may be right.

I like the turn bet.

- Villain might have 11-14 outs if he doesn't have the flush at the turn.
- Hero doesn't have a Heart redraw.
- Hero will lose one bet to a turned flush anyway.

Definitely check behind on the turn.

Originally Posted by r8ed

Originally Posted by aislephive

I'm almost always checking the turn here

Interesting. Lets see..
If we bet:
1. A made flush will call or raise.
2. Ah w/ a Jack or Ten will call.
3. Non flush hands except sets or two pair will call.

If we check:
1. A made flush with bet.
2. A smart opponent w/ anything may bet to see if we will fold.
3. A hand with a heart will see a free card.
4. One pair, str8 draw or Ace hands will see a free card and possibly hit the river.

I think it's close but you may be right.

When you look at both the pros and cons of betting/checking it's a clear turn check and call most river bets, especially if the river is a blank. You want to control the pot-size and see a showdown here, not bet into a super scary board with a very vulnerable hand with little chance of seeing a cheap showdown if he has you beat. It's not a given that a made flush doesn't check/call the turn and then lead the river, so you might not get a cheap showdown which is what the turn bet's purpose is. On another note, I'd bet the river if it was checked to me on a blank or if the board paired a non heart and he checked as well.

Assume Hero is beat on the turn. Either betting or checking then both give the same result (losing one bet).

If Hero isn't beat then betting takes away the free card; checking induces a bet or call of something like Tx/88-99/missed draw. Maximizing value vs. Jx makes it a bet for me though.

hmm, why don't we have a giant repeat of my thread...