Weird Preflop line

Villai here is a 16/15/INF , no other reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($207.70)
Hero ($220.15)
SB ($198.80)
BB ($456.10)
UTG ($175)
MP ($190.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
UTG raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 2 folds, UTG raises to $100, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???

What's weird? Am I so dumb I'm missing something that is sitting on my face here?

I haven't seen a non push 4bet preflop in about 2 months, especially oop.

Originally Posted by Jager

I haven't seen a non push 4bet preflop in about 2 months, especially oop.

Wow really? At FT they all 4bet pot, gotta love bet pot.

I dont have any advice about the hand though...shove/fold?

UTG raise/4bet from a nit? It's the nuts.

super easy fold

Don't get this wrong Jager but I seem to understand where your downswing is coming from. I believe that you are too willing to gamble for stacks. I'm not playing your stakes (yet) but even at $50NL sometimes a weak fold is still better than a stack lost.

i hardly ever 4-bet as a push preflop. only time i do is if i KNOW villian will call with really bad hands which doesn't happen too much.

is reraising an UTG raisor (albeit 6max) a little spewy/risky?
also he went for 5bbs utg so wtf?

I just do 1.5x what he raised it to normally when I 4 bet.

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed. His TT held up, but I felt that his play was wrong. Am I playing this hand wrong? I am only 3betting an UTG raiser like this with QQ+, AK+. Should I be 4betting but not pushing? What are the advantages/disadvantages?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($207.70)
Hero ($220.15)
SB ($198.80)
BB ($456.10)
UTG ($175)
MP ($190.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
UTG raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 2 folds, UTG raises to $100, Hero raises to $220.15, UTG calls $75 (All-In).

Flop: ($398.15) 4, 8, 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($398.15) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($398.15) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $398.15

Results in white below:
UTG has Tc Ts (one pair, tens).
Hero has Ac Kh (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG wins $353. Hero wins $45.15.

Originally Posted by Jager

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed.

you seem to come to conclusions that are way off alot

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed.

you seem to come to conclusions that are way off alot

This I know...

he never has AQ, so automatically this is a fold.

Originally Posted by Jager

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed.

you seem to come to conclusions that are way off alot

This I know...

he put over half his stack in pre, but you dont think he wanted to play for stacks.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I just do 1.5x what he raised it to normally when I 4 bet.

I dont get it.
So if u are UTG and raise to $10, and villain 3bets to $30, you 4bet to....$45??

Help me out a bit here.

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed.

you seem to come to conclusions that are way off alot

This I know...

he put over half his stack in pre, but you dont think he wanted to play for stacks.

Am I not allowed to make mistakes???

Originally Posted by Jager

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

It just didn't seem like he wanted to play for stacks, so I pushed.

you seem to come to conclusions that are way off alot

This I know...

he put over half his stack in pre, but you dont think he wanted to play for stacks.

Am I not allowed to make mistakes???

nope

not if u want to ball as hard as gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

Am I not allowed to make mistakes???

no offense but why make posts like this? its pointless. obv when i try to correct people's thinking im pointing out their mistakes, but not everyone acts like they are offended.

Originally Posted by JL

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I just do 1.5x what he raised it to normally when I 4 bet.

I dont get it.
So if u are UTG and raise to $10, and villain 3bets to $30, you 4bet to....$45??

Help me out a bit here.

Oh lol meant 2.5 times lol. so I'd raise here to 75, especially if UTG is a fish.

Originally Posted by JL

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I just do 1.5x what he raised it to normally when I 4 bet.

I dont get it.
So if u are UTG and raise to $10, and villain 3bets to $30, you 4bet to....$45??

Help me out a bit here.

Oh lol meant 2.5 times lol. so I'd raise here to 75, especially if UTG is a fish.
But then again different raise sizes are appropriate for different situations.

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by Jager

Am I not allowed to make mistakes???

no offense but why make posts like this? its pointless. obv when i try to correct people's thinking im pointing out their mistakes, but not everyone acts like they are offended.

I am definitely NOT offended I was just admitting my mistake in a joking manner, as you pointed out he was not folding but at the time I thought differently and incorrectly.

People never fold anything ever once half their stack is in- getting 3 to 1 on a call- and thats the right decision.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.028% 33.74% 00.29% 19642698 167909.00 { 2c2d }
Hand 1: 65.972% 65.68% 00.29% 38239820 167909.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Doesn't really matter what you do.