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  1. #1

    Default What do you think?

    These are hands I played in the last few days that would usually be easy folds for me but I've been trying to think about my post flop play a bit more. What do you think?

    (Note: sometimes I buy in for 60bb.)
    Both vilians about 25/15/3

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Hero ($18.30)
    UTG ($18.10)
    MP ($24.10)
    CO ($31.50)
    Button ($23.90)
    SB ($25.55)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J.
    UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, MP calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25.

    Flop: ($4.85) T, 3, 3 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $2.5, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50.

    Turn: ($9.85) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $4, Hero raises to $8.5, MP calls $4.50.

    River: ($26.85) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $11.6 (All-In), Hero calls $5.80 (All-In).

    Final Pot: $38.45


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($23.50)
    SB ($15.05)
    BB ($26.85)
    UTG ($35.70)
    MP ($10)
    Hero ($25.50)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6. MP posts a blind of $0.25.
    UTG calls $0.25, MP (poster) checks, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1, MP folds.

    Flop: ($4.10) 8, 2, 2 (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB folds, UTG raises to $5, Hero raises to $9.75, UTG raises to $34.45, Hero calls $14.50 (All-In).

    Turn: ($52.60) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($52.60) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $52.60
  2. #2
    1) You kinda played that backwards. Either cbet or just c/f that flop, I hate c/call. If you're going to semibluff the turn at least don't do it in a way that he has to call your c/r.

    2) Fold to UTG's minraise, definitely fold to his 4bet shove.
  3. #3
    both are horrible
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  4. #4
    Against described villians I don't really like either.
    1)If your gonna raise the turn its better to shove since you're basically committing yourself to the hand anyway. Flop call isn't horrible but I don't know that I even bother to float here.
    2) bet more on flop like 3-4. I don't really like the essentially min rereraise. I don't know what you're beating here other than a bluff so I wouldn't be calling his push.
    I find that min raises are rarely a bluff.
    overall I'm folding both flops.
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    I do not like either. I assume at least one worked because you posted but I think there is very little FE the way you played them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    1) You kinda played that backwards. Either cbet or just c/f that flop, I hate c/call. If you're going to semibluff the turn at least don't do it in a way that he has to call your c/r.

    2) Fold to UTG's minraise, definitely fold to his 4bet shove.
  6. #6
    Yeah I usually fold these super easy, but I decided to go with my reads a bit more these last few days when I felt villian was fos with great results,
    but I posted the hh because when I looked back at them it was like wtf were you thinking?
    a) putting your stack on the line with A high/66
    b) Min-raise bluffing etc.

    For results orientated he had K9 in hand 1 & 33 in Hand 2.
    I'll continue experimenting with these moves vs weak players even using min-raise when I feel I have the best of them until I hit some sort of downswing & see how it goes.

    But yeah I have to agree they look horrible so that downswing might hit very soon.
  7. #7
    Its the same as this hand (I played a few minutes ago) which probably looks terrible to you guys, but to me just seems like (now that Im working on my post flop play) a very straightforward spot to check float oop vs a weak low stakes player.
    I would have min raised turn here as I did in hand 1 above, but river lead works fine to.
    Lol I bet it looks awful, but with weak players in this spot their range is air 90% of the time.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Hero ($15.35)
    MP ($37.35)
    CO ($5)
    Button ($15.60)
    SB ($22.15)
    BB ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
    Hero raises to $1.25, MP calls $1.25, 4 folds.

    Flop: ($3.10) 2, T, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.

    Turn: ($10.10) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks.

    River: ($10.10) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $4, MP folds.

    Final Pot: $10.10
  8. #8
    If I was MP there I'd be betting the turn and probably the river.


    Why not just c-bet?
  9. #9
    Because a weak but aggressive low stakes player will be raising your cbet in pos on uber-dry boards like this (but only with air)
    You can try counter by check raising instead but on this board to them it looks like re-bluff ,but calling and min-raising turn reads monster to them and as they have air most time its seems to be fairly +ev counter strategy.

    Also in the 66 hand, at the top of the thread , a weak player will almost always lead with an 8 if he's "that type" or he'll check call it & if he has trip 2's or boat he is almost always slow playing one street on this board (unless there is at least an A/k he thinks hero could have.)
    There is almost nothing in his range that he would check min-raise with
    hence the re-bluff & then he tanked and shoved.
    I really felt I would be ahead in this scenario often enough to call.
    (but as you can see he thought my small 3bet could be a re-bluff/weakish hand hence the shove which is why I'll often smooth call flop and make a move on the turn if I have a strong read villian is fos.)

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