Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
Quote Originally Posted by pokerroomace
my question was more if you could set up a mathematical model to work out when this line is +EV and on which flops. it doesn't matter what we have. as long as we have a fairly tight image.

they think we have a decent hand and don't realize that we could have any 2 cards. what range must they have?

Very opponent dependent when/what flops to c/r. This is why taking good notes on an opponents 3betting range is useful.

Generally, K-x-x flops are good to c/r with Ace high since you have lots of F.E. (the flop likely missed him) and you have at least 3 Ace outs if called. Low non suited flops are good to c/r with a hand like A-Q/K-Q since you have several outs against a middle pocket pair if they decide to look you up. Avoid c/ring coordinated flops (7c 9c Qh is a pretty coordinated flop) since these flops are most likely to have hit your opponents hand in some way. Just make sure you play K-K/A-A the same way when you are OOP though or it will be less likely you have a legitimate hand.
i will never play AA or KK (or QQ) like this. lol. I will always 4bet.

Actually, thinking about it, there is now hand I play like this. I might play JJ like this, but unlikely. Against this specific opponent I may play big pairs like this.

If I play this line, it usually means I was fishing with a low pp or other hand and hit in some way (ie set/straight/draw), or I'm just completely bluffing.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what he thinks I have. I haven't played enough hands with him so that he will know I will never play AA and KK like this.
All that matters is that he doesn't have a big pair, or that he has a weak pair and will fold.

I know I play $600NL, but there really isn't a need to represent a hand a lot of the time. He doesn't know exactly how I play. All he needs to know is that I could play AA like this, or that someone could play it like this.

All that matters are his cards. Sad, but true IMO.