When did this become standard...

I am getting this constantly where I 3bet then get 4bet but not AI. I am not quite sure how to handle these?? What does this accomplish that pushing AI does not? What are they trying to find out? What hands are they trying to push out?

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SB ($7.85)
BB ($98.40)
UTG ($104.45)
Hero ($106.95)
Button ($114.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, UTG raises to $37, Hero ??

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BB ($55.60)
UTG ($229.25)
MP ($96)
Hero ($212.35)
SB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, UTG raises to $35, Hero??

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BB ($27.45)
UTG ($110.55)
MP ($123.75)
Hero ($198.20)
SB ($129.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, MP raises to $44, Hero ??

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Button ($192.95)
SB ($108.80)
Hero ($121.10)
UTG ($157.80)
MP ($183.65)
CO ($145.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
3 folds, Button raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, Button raises to $43, Hero ??



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MP ($67.65)
CO ($133.70)
Button ($122.35)
SB ($45.50)
Hero ($145.15)
UTG ($90.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
UTG raises to $4, 4 folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG raises to $35, Hero ??

I think these bet sizes are just to fuck with your head. It's pretty much a push anyway.
I don't see a lot of 100NLers fourbetting light, you're just going to have to go with your reads on this one, it's either push or fold. With worse hands where you don't want to go all in but you think he's doing it light you could actually stop and go the flop, accept ive never seen that done in cash.

Wow.. so much fourbetting. I didn't realize the pokerstars games played that aggressively. I rarely find myself getting four-bet on interpoker.

I don't think 4-betting to $35 or so, with $100 stacks, is the same as pushing at all.

Its possible that they have a very strong hand (AA) and want you to call with worse hands (ie:AK or what not).. where you could spike a K and stack off. This is ofcourse assuming you wouldn't call a push preflop with AK in teh first place.

If you have been 3-betting light, then someone might four-bet you to $35 to get a call out of your more marginal hands in your 3-betting range.

It is very possible that the villain is stupid.
Griffey you make it sound like you are justifying the 4bet move as a good play.
I push the KK, call the QQ min-reraise . I fold the rest except I would consider pushing the AK hand where we are 100BB deep. This response assumes my image isn't too tight nor 3 betting too light. If otherwise I would have to adjust.

i do small 4 bets as bluffs or to trick people into thinking they have fold equity

Originally Posted by Silly String

Griffey you make it sound like you are justifying the 4bet move as a good play.

I think it has its place. Like I said before, if a player has been 3-betting you very light, then what are you gaining by coming back over the top of this player? His range most likely won't call a push.

Obviously against most reasonable players, a push would be better. Especially if you are pushing Aces, Kings and AK all the same.

But as I said before... I really haven't run into much 4-betting at all, at $100NL.

People will call 4bets with worse hands than they'll call an allin with.

I bluff this regularly when ppl start 3-betting me and I'm OOP. Mostly it's Axs or a small pp, sometimes total garbage.

It's basically the same play as 3-betting a lag's open-raise. Since the bet isn't repping that much strength it's usually +ev to 3-bet him when in position.

That being said, I probably 4-bet bluff preflop more than most ppl since it seems so strong and seems so unlikely I'm folding...

I folded the JJ and pushed the KK into AA...

Well here I called the 2 AK hands and the QQ hand, flop came all rags, they pushed...Hero??

If I just push QQ+, AK, would this slow them down on their lite 4 betting?

I get the feeling that they are trying to trap me with their AA/KK, or that they are afraid to push??

Also I think all of these Villains are 2p2...

pushing your AK and QQ into these 4betters is the best way to lose a stack. Unless you have a read that villain 4bets light, or is a complete maniac, I fold QQ and JJ to 4bets preflop and KK I play for stacks regardless.

If villains had shoved in all cases here, which hands would you have called with?