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    Default Why am I so passive out of position?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($40.65)
    Hero (SB) ($124)
    BB ($101.50)
    UTG ($125.10)
    MP ($108)
    CO ($168.40)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
    UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Button calls $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

    Flop: ($10) 2, 5, 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6

    Turn: ($22) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks

    River: ($22) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $11, Hero calls $11

    Total pot: $44 | Rake: $2.20

    UTG is 27/22/4, no other reads except that I know he opens 22 (so probably all small pockets) UTG. Is this ok? Sometimes I feel like I play way too passively OOP.
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    In general I dont think being passive OOP is too bad, but theres probably a bet/raise in there somewhere. Definately lead the river.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    because you have a bluffcatcher in a multiway pot that the UTG player opened. show us a hand where you did something questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    because you have a bluffcatcher in a multiway pot that the UTG player opened. show us a hand where you did something questionable.
    Okay, well I thought my play was questionable, but I guess not, good to know. You don't think I'm missing value from 66-TT? I'm not used to thinking of JJ as a bluffcatcher, thanks.

    Here's another hand where I thought I played questionably OOP,

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) ($105.50)
    BB ($100)
    UTG ($313.20)
    MP ($120.50)
    CO ($184.90)
    Button ($99.50)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q
    1 fold, MP raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

    Flop: ($9) K, 5, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $5.10, MP calls $5.10

    Turn: ($19.20) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks

    River: ($19.20) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $9, MP raises to $18, Hero folds

    Total pot: $37.20 | Rake: $1.85

    Villain was 47/14/1 with a flop cbet of 100% over 168 hands, the only logic behind the donkbet is that I'm trying to widen my donkbetting range beyond just nut hands, but now that I think about it I should probably be balancing that with air. I also don't want to check and face the cbet that I know is coming. If he's cbetting this flop 100%, which he almost definitely is, do you think I can c/c or c/r profitably?

    On the turn I figured he would bet if he had made trips and I could get away from it. Since he checked I thought most of his range was worse K's so I thought b/f was good on the river, but maybe I should have called such a small raise? c/c seems better now too.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    with those reads you should be excited to check/call. this is the opposite of a time you would want to merge your leading range. the board is dry and you have very good equity against his cbetting range.
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    nuts surely leading the river in hand 1 for $14-16 is good?
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode
    nuts surely leading the river in hand 1 for $14-16 is good?
    valuebetting here against someone who isnt a retard is actually pretty thin even though we are ahead most often. if i were to bet, id want to bet an amount that made ace high more likely to call
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    Does anyone 3-bet hand 1?
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    why in the world would you lead the KQ hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildBobAA
    Does anyone 3-bet hand 1?
    This is a situation I get confused with a lot too. It seems like we are ahead but if we 3-bet not many hands we beat are calling/4betting.
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    yea I'd squeeze here at teh old 6maxerz but I could go either way really
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    I dont, because I dont want to play JJ OOP in a 3-bet pot.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    why in the world would you lead the KQ hand
    yeah, it was a slip up, sometimes I try to take lines that make no sense but it never works out so I'm going to stop doing it unless I know my opponent is thinking deeply enough.
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    I'd surely lead hand 1 on the river for half pot or so. Besides that I think you played it fine.

    Hand 2 I'm never leading flop. But now you did, I think you're overrepping your hand by leading this river again after turn check. QJ got there as well, which makes calldowns by worse K's even less likely.
    I think a turn lead on this specific turn might be better.

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