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would you call these flop shoves?

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  1. #1

    Default would you call these flop shoves?

    what's the worst hand you would call with in these spots?
    also any other thoughts on pre flop or cbetting?

    1-
    im new at the table, and ive never played villain before.
    i have a small sample that shows tag stats though.

    Hand #42331574-81195 at Clifton (No Limit Hold'em)
    Started at 21/Jun/07 19:14:13

    Hero is at seat 0 with $400.
    sledgehammer3 is at seat 1 with $87.50.
    stone1009 is at seat 2 with $436.
    DonkeySauce is at seat 3 with $96.
    Care2Tango is at seat 4 with $342.10.
    geile zeit is at seat 5 with $399.50.
    The button is at seat 5.

    Hero posts the small blind of $2.
    sledgehammer3 posts the big blind of $4.

    Hero: :Tc: :Ts:
    sledgehammer3: -- --
    stone1009: -- --
    DonkeySauce: -- --
    Care2Tango: -- --
    geile zeit: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    stone1009 folds. DonkeySauce folds. Care2Tango
    folds. geile zeit raises to $14. Hero
    re-raises to $50. sledgehammer3 folds. geile zeit
    calls.

    Flop (board: ):

    Hero bets $75. geile zeit goes all-in for
    $349.50. Hero?
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    2- more reads here -
    villain is 25/20, and tends to take passive lines with one pair hands if he loses "initiative"
    my image is not good- it prob looks like im reraising light, since i've reraised about 4 times vs others at this table, cbet, and folded to a shove.

    Hand #42331574-81279 at Clifton (No Limit Hold'em)
    Started at 21/Jun/07 19:50:20

    Hero is at seat 0 with $401.90.
    LUCKIE 2 is at seat 1 with $385.
    stone1009 is at seat 2 with $357.80.
    ffiisshhyy is at seat 3 with $860.
    Care2Tango is at seat 4 with $387.55.
    geile zeit is at seat 5 with $828.30.
    The button is at seat 5.

    Hero posts the small blind of $2.
    LUCKIE 2 posts the big blind of $4.

    Hero: :Th: :Td:
    LUCKIE 2: -- --
    stone1009: -- --
    ffiisshhyy: -- --
    Care2Tango: -- --
    geile zeit: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    stone1009 folds. ffiisshhyy folds. Care2Tango
    raises to $14. geile zeit folds. Hero
    re-raises to $50. LUCKIE 2 folds. Care2Tango calls.


    Flop (board: :Qs: ):

    Hero bets $75. Care2Tango goes all-in for
    $337.55. Hero?
  2. #2
    I'd fold both

    without history, I'd call with QQ+ in hand 1 (it's close though) and KK + in hand 1
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  3. #3
    I fold both without better reads.

    Hand 1 I can't see what we're ahead of, but we're pretty much flipping with overs+FD anyhow.

    Hand 2 I definitely fold and don't think too much about it, unless I see villain doing this too often.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  4. #4
    No No
  5. #5
    thx for the thoughts. i folded both.

    still i didnt like losing pots like these so many times in a row.
    maybe just running bad, but just seemed like i was being exploited.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by benny999
    maybe just running bad, but just seemed like i was being exploited.
    I know that feeling... it's the 3-bet pot panic. Change tables. Even if they are not exploiting you - if you think they MIGHT be then it might mess up your mental game.
  7. #7
    zenbitz- i totally agree. switching tables is the most +ev move.

    but this time i decided to stick at the table, since i've mostly been playing good lately, and figured i would learn something there.

    it was definitely an expensive way to learn though...

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