Yay AA

Villain just stacked me with AQ in a reraised pot on an AQ7 2 tone board vs my KJ suited. He probably thinks I’m tilting so I’d doubt he’s bluffing here.

His preflop stats are 22/19 over a small sample. So you can guess what that means about his open-limping range…

- Bjannemannen sitting in seat 1 with $109.60
- Djnutte sitting in seat 2 with $18.40
- JTDAWG sitting in seat 3 with $101.27
- Jacke23 sitting in seat 4 with $46.10
- Vinroed1 sitting in seat 5 with $230.94
- Genitruc sitting in seat 6 with $116.80 [Dealer]

Bjannemannen posted the small blind - $0.50
Djnutte posted the big blind - $1.00

** Dealing card to Genitruc:

JTDAWG folded
Jacke23 folded
Vinroed1 called - $1.00
Genitruc raised - $5.00
Bjannemannen folded
Djnutte folded
Vinroed1 called - $5.00

** Dealing the flop:

Vinroed1 checked
Genitruc bet - $11.50
Vinroed1 raised - $23.00
Genitruc…

call

Call/push turn seems good.

Since when do you play NL $0.50/1.00?

don't fold.

W$SD 32% over 5k hands at nl200 on a site where I can't reload easily = whoring at lowstakes until end of bonus deal April 3oth

What hand is anybody putting villain on here?

idk but i just don't find a fold here anywhere unless it's completely obvious he has a 4 (idk what bet would make us think that).

Someone who is 22/19 is only ever limping 22-44 in my experience.

I guess I'm just posting to confirm that felting is o.k. but I really think folding is correct here if I call and he leads the turn. Kind of a waste of time for you guys...

He prob thinks I'm tilting and the only hands he can have are 22-44 (maybe 55 but 22/19 pretty much always raising 55 from CO.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Someone who is 22/19 is only ever limping 22-44 in my experience.

I guess I'm just posting to confirm that felting is o.k. but I really think folding is correct here if I call and he leads the turn. Kind of a waste of time for you guys...

He prob thinks I'm tilting and the only hands he can have are 22-44 (maybe 55 but 22/19 pretty much always raising 55 from CO.

I don't know what he's limping here, but it's not only 22-44 probably. I could see him showing up with a lot of PP's here. It could be a bluff to bud. I don't know if he's weird enough to limp/call TT-AA here too, but you can't just utterly rule them out. Especially if you don't know if he's a regular.

by "don't fold" i meant don't fold throughout this hand. I felt this. leading the turn is almost expected too. I'm not saying that you should raise anywhere in this hand though.

Also don't assume that this guy is even thinking about what your hand is or if you're tilting or not.

Man, I really dont know. A 22/19 shouldnt be open limping anything and this is honestly probably a misclick. Ive had nearly identical stats and I dont open limp intentionally and would be very very hard pressed to find somebody with those stats who does. I have to agree with what everybody else is saying here, you cant fold this turn. If he is open limping it is because of the table conditions and maybe a huge fish, and it would be with some random hands that could havea 4, but again, id expect a misclick more often. Call here and [obviously] re-evaluate, but expect to felt it here a lot.

EDIT: I dont really think I added much to this about how to respond, but basically I just wanted to add that somebody with these stats isnt open limping as a standard play and it wouldnt be with 22-44 [much like massimo said]

The fact that he open limped is the only thing that makes this hand interesting.

Wtf why would you ever fold AA here to a flop check minraise? He could have any two and do that, especially if you're going to fold a hand as strong as AA.

Good grief. If you have this amazing read that he only limps with 22-44 and open-raises everything else then yeah I GUESS you should check behind on the flop and fold as played. In practice this is ridiculous because you can never narrow someone's range down to precisely 3 hands just because they limped preflop. He may have limped with random shit that he wouldn't usually limp with because of some special table conditions that you didn't mention, and now he's trying to take the pot away on a garbage flop. Or maybe it was an action limp with KK, who the hell knows. No one ever believes you have anything on this type of flop so I'd probably just make it $60 and get it in ASAP.

The point is it's simply not possible to put someone on one specific hand based on nothing other than their preflop stats.

mcat has a point, if you really feel his range is that tight betting the flop was dumb. But clearly this isn't the case.

The only thing I can see him limping with those stats is small PPs and not raising pre-flop due to the short-stack on the BB. I play it like this rightly or wrongly.

prima or ladbrokes?

if he thinks you're tilting he is likely to think you are raising without much of a hand & this is a good flop to try take pot away from you.
If he does have a 4 or set of 2's he is unlikely to raise because he thinks you are tilting & don't have much of a hand and this would scare you off.
It could easily be a bluff or he is overvaluing mid pair to your tilty range, or slowplayed big pair.
I think, call & depending on turn card either lead or let him bluff into me.
Im 20/16 and a low pocket pair is the least likely holding for me in this position, If I'm playing it, I'm raising it here.

Let's make it a bit more interesting:
** Dealing card to Genitruc:

I think 1010 has the same value as AA here - He either has an overpair beat or he doesnt. I dont mind a fold on the flop - if you call then the turn is a definite fold if he leads strongly. He rarely limps and limped/called preflop - low pair almost all the time. If you call the flop he is not betting the turn strongly with 33/55 etc. So you can fold then confident you made the right decision - but if you call the flop he's almost definitely firing the turn, so is calling the flop a leak?

I am 21/14 and I open-raise 22-44 here. I strongly suspect he has Axs/Kxs (the x could be 4, I guess), and simply doesn't believe your flop bet. That check/minraise is strongly expecting a fold.

I would either call and bet/raise the turn, or push. I can't see 44 or 22 pushing AK out of the pot here with a dumbass minraise.

In short - I reckon more than 75% of the time you're gold - the question is how much more of his money can you get.

You're not folding AA here.

don't fold here whatever u do.

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

don't fold here whatever u do.

Oops

- Bjannemannen sitting in seat 1 with $109.60
- Djnutte sitting in seat 2 with $18.40
- JTDAWG sitting in seat 3 with $101.27
- Jacke23 sitting in seat 4 with $46.10
- Vinroed1 sitting in seat 5 with $230.94
- Genitruc sitting in seat 6 with $116.80 [Dealer]

Bjannemannen posted the small blind - $0.50
Djnutte posted the big blind - $1.00

** Dealing card to Genitruc:

JTDAWG folded
Jacke23 folded
Vinroed1 called - $1.00
Genitruc raised - $5.00
Bjannemannen folded
Djnutte folded
Vinroed1 called - $5.00

** Dealing the flop:

Vinroed1 checked
Genitruc bet - $11.50
Vinroed1 raised - $23.00
Genitruc folds

Vinroed1 shows

Vinroed wins $42.50 from the main pot

Like I said a little further up, this was just a waste of a thread. I guess I just ran good to fold to a better hand here.

oh wait a minute

I must have gotten this hand mixed up with another one where I had ESP! :

** Game ID 1346597402 starting - 2007-04-25 19:34:41
** Schwerin [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Bjannemannen sitting in seat 1 with $109.60
- Djnutte sitting in seat 2 with $18.40
- JTDAWG sitting in seat 3 with $101.27
- Jacke23 sitting in seat 4 with $46.10
- Vinroed1 sitting in seat 5 with $230.94
- Genitruc sitting in seat 6 with $116.80 [Dealer]

Bjannemannen posted the small blind - $0.50
Djnutte posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Genitruc:
JTDAWG folded
Jacke23 folded
Vinroed1 called - $1.00
Genitruc raised - $5.00
Bjannemannen folded
Djnutte folded
Vinroed1 called - $5.00

** Dealing the flop:
Vinroed1 checked
Genitruc bet - $11.50
Vinroed1 raised - $23.00
Genitruc called - $23.00

** Dealing the turn:
Vinroed1 bet - $35.00
Genitruc went all-in - $88.80
Vinroed1 called - $88.80

** Dealing the river: :10c:
Genitruc shows:
Vinroed1 shows:
Vinroed1 wins $232.10 from the main pot

End of game 1346597402

I just call turn usually ...

Originally Posted by aislephive

I just call turn usually ...

Why? It seems to me that if you call turn then you gotta call any river. There are a lot of river cards that could kill our action against lesser overpairs, though because he'd be getting such good pot odds himself he'd probably have a hard time folding, say, QQ if a K came. So you call the turn to make him bluff his last chips away on the river every now and then, or am I missing something?

I don't see why it's just 22-44, since he limped with the shorty in the BB. imo 55-88, and cards above nine are just as likely.

a mini c/r from a donk is by far more often a test of a cbet, but from a good player it's real hard to tell.

it sucks to call if he's always leading the turn strong and you won't know what to do. I wonder about min 3betting the flop, and if it ever induces a re-"bluff".

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Originally Posted by aislephive

I just call turn usually ...

Why? It seems to me that if you call turn then you gotta call any river. There are a lot of river cards that could kill our action against lesser overpairs, though because he'd be getting such good pot odds himself he'd probably have a hard time folding, say, QQ if a K came. So you call the turn to make him bluff his last chips away on the river every now and then, or am I missing something?

With these stacks actually shoving is better now that I think about it.

And his line is basically nuts/air. If he has something like 55 he won't call a shove. If stacks were 150bbs+ I think it would be a definite call.

I think the turn push is fine. However, i think that he's probably calling a river push with 33-TT (excluding 33 and 88) only a little less than he does the turn, even if if the river is something like a K. I'd rather let him bluff off his stack if he is bluffing.

3-betting the flop has much better balance than calling and pushing over the turn bet, because if he's making this stupid check-raise with bluffs and shit like 55 then I'd want to 3-bet the flop with a lot of hands including my big pairs.

When I 3-bet the flop small here I sometimes get people to 4-bet all-in drawing dead with some of the worst crap you can imagine. This doesn't have to happen that often for the EV to be higher than that of raising a turn bet, especially since he'll sometimes give up on the turn anyway.

calling turn is a lot better

Halvsame i see your point but he's folding sometimes to our push with hands we're beating and we're not letting him bluff the river.

Originally Posted by sauce123

calling turn is a lot better

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Halvsame i see your point but he's folding sometimes to our push with hands we're beating and we're not letting him bluff the river.

I agree. I guess I reasoned this out myself as I was typing out my last post, but decided to post it anyway to possibly get more pro's/con's.

(I thought I already posted this, I guess the interweb spider ate it.)