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  1. #1

    Default Ouch! AAA going down to suited connectors

    Read on UTG+2. PT rate him as kind of fishy, but I had very few hands to make a good read.

    0.25/0.5$ NL 10 player

    Dealt to Borax in MP1
    :As::Ah:
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    OpeningBetRound
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    SB : Posts small blind 0.25
    BB : Posts big blind 0.50
    UTG : Folds
    UTG+1 : Calls for 0.50
    UTG+2 : Calls for 0.50
    Borax : Raises for 3.00
    MP2 : Calls for 3.00
    MP3 : Folds
    CO : Folds
    Button : Folds
    SB : Folds
    BB : Folds
    UTG+1 : Calls for 2.50
    UTG+2 : Calls for 2.50
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    Flop

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    UTG+1 : Bets 3.00
    UTG+2 : Folds
    Borax : Raises for 12.00
    MP2 : Folds
    UTG+1 : Calls for 9.00
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    Turn

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    UTG+1 : Bets 2.50
    Borax : Calls for 2.50
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    River

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    UTG+1 : Bets 27.00
    Borax : Raises for 54.00
    UTG+1 : Went all-in 10.12
    Borax : Receives returned betting money 16.88
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    Showdown
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    UTG+1
    - - Straight - 9 high
    Borax
    - Three of a Kind - A's
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    Result
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    UTG+1 Showed Cards (Winning) 112.99
    Borax Showed Cards
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    I slowed down on the turn, thinking he was slowplaying set or straight, but the last A made me go for it. A little black out in my brain there, since the Ace doesn't change the straight danger, although I was hoping to bust his set....

    I think I should have raised more on the flop, (maybe also preflop, but actually the table had been folding a lot to 3-4xBB preflop earlier). In fact I was fearing the flush more than the straight after the preflop betting..
  2. #2
    Raise the turn and you'll quickly find out that you're beat.
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    You called on the turn when you have a lack of information. You should have been raising to avoid a messy river. If you didn't hit your ace, what sorts of river bets would you call? (up to what?)

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    I have soooooo much to learn...
    makes it interesting though
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    Raising more preflop there is rediculous if it's been 2-way or less from 4xBB raises. You don't really want to take it down preflop...you want one or two callers. If that size of a bet doesn't give those results most of the time at this table, then raise more. Doing it now for any other reason is advertising your hand.
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    I aggree. I don't vary my preflop bets much. Usually 2-3$ is enough at 0.25/0.5$ NL, but I see several guys on this forum preaching for higher preflop raises. Sometimes I increase or decrease my bet to confuse though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borax
    I aggree. I don't vary my preflop bets much. Usually 2-3$ is enough at 0.25/0.5$ NL, but I see several guys on this forum preaching for higher preflop raises. Sometimes I increase or decrease my bet to confuse though.
    Most of the pots I win go like this.

    "Raise in mp by me. CO-Button-SB-BB call. Flop comes XXX. Check to me OR I'm first to act, I fire out a bet twice my prefloip raise. All folds and I win."

    So, If increase my preflop raise by just 1 BB that equates to 4 or 5 BBs per 100. Of course, there is a point where you wont get callers anymore. I think that value is 7 and greater. But between 4-6, you're ok.

    I personally stick with 4 becuase I dont want to give my opponents much more reason to fight me post flop. But I can easily understand the merits of 6.

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    rilla wrote:

    Most of the pots I win go like this.

    "Raise in mp by me. CO-Button-SB-BB call. Flop comes XXX. Check to me OR I'm first to act, I fire out a bet twice my prefloip raise. All folds and I win."

    Maybe a stupid question, but when you say you raise 4xBB from MP, would that be a 2.5$ bet or a 2$ bet when the BB is 0.5$?

    Does your example mean that your average bet will be about half pot on the flop? So for my game 0.25/0.5$ your example will be like this:

    SB posts 0.25
    BB posts 0.5
    UTG fold
    UTG+1 fold
    UTG+2 call for 0.5
    MP1 fold
    MP2 fold
    MP3 raise to 2
    CO call for 2
    SB call 1.75 to 2
    BB call 1.5 to 2
    UTG+2 fold

    FLOP XXX

    MP3 bet 4 (pot 8.5$)
    CO, SB, BB fold
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    Yes, I'd raise to 2 bucks at .25/.5 NL

    Though, I would only bet that flop if I was second to last or last to act. Give everyone a chance to fight for it.

    I will bet from any position as a continuation bet if it's 3 or 2 people to the flop.

    I will also not bet flops that I feel are hard to rep like J T 5

    I will however bet on a flop like 332 (With 4 people) hoping for an aware player to give me a raise so I can bump it up again and wins more monnies.

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    ok-thanks

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