I made a read,I took an action,I was right, but I still lost

[daluchy]

I had one the best reads I ever had on a hand and acted on it, yet I still got wrecked by the 3rd party.


PokerStars Game #1815194594: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/06/02 - 00:13:49 (ET)
Table 'Nekkar II' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: chesterg ($6.95 in chips)
Seat 3: iameor ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 4: bizarroman ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Thrash5 ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 6: daluchy ($10.25 in chips)
iameor: posts small blind $0.05
bizarroman: posts big blind $0.10
TanKito: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to daluchy [Jd 7d]
Thrash5: folds
daluchy: calls $0.10
chesterg: calls $0.10
iameor: calls $0.05
bizarroman: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd Jc 6h]
iameor: bets $0.10
bizarroman: folds
daluchy: calls $0.10
chesterg: calls $0.10
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Here I figured I'm calling a person with a pair of sixes with such a low bet. Should I have raised with possible middle pair?



*** TURN *** [Qd Jc 6h] [7c]
iameor: bets $0.60
daluchy: raises $0.60 to $1.20
chesterg: calls $1.20
iameor: raises $1.20 to $2.40
daluchy: calls $1.20
chesterg: calls $1.20
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I thought about it and remembered this person had played of connector hands. So, I came up with two pair 6's & 7's. My hand is better, so I raise.




*** RIVER *** [Qd Jc 6h 7c] [Kd]
iameor: bets $2.55 and is all-in
daluchy: calls $2.55
chesterg: calls $2.55
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Jackpot! $$$$$$....so I thought





*** SHOW DOWN ***
iameor: shows [6c 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
daluchy: shows [Jd 7d] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
chesterg: shows [Ts 9s] (a straight, Nine to King)
chesterg collected $14.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.55 | Rake $0.75
Board [Qd Jc 6h 7c Kd]
Seat 2: chesterg (button) showed [Ts 9s] and won ($14.80) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: iameor (small blind) showed [6c 7h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 4: bizarroman (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Thrash5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: daluchy showed [Jd 7d] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
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Really I didn't even consider what the other guy had. He acted after me with a call each time so I didn't read anything. Still should he still have been in this hand past the turn? Should I have been in this hand? I figured I had best hand but was there too many risk cards out there?


This hand really angered me because I just doubled what I came in with from hours of play and lost it all on a lucky draw.

[elipsesjeff]

Fold preflop.

[daluchy]

Fold preflop.

Wow. I didn't even think about the starting hand I have. That is pretty weak. 3 Gap Suited. Damn.

Alright I feel a little better then. It was a lucky draw, but it's probably a hand I shouldn't have been in.

Thanks.

[dalecooper]

You made a few mistakes here IMO:

1. as mentioned, fold it pre-flop. Hideous hand. My friend calls a jack with any low card "jackshit," and I think that's a very appropriate title.
2. Raise the flop. You think you're ahead, put a raise in.
3. Why did you eventually flat call the turn? Again: you have the best hand, you have a guy raising you with a worse hand, and another guy flat-calling with a probable draw. Go all in. End the suspense. The draw might fold and then you aren't in here posting this, you're happily counting your chips instead.

One additional note - any time there are three participants in a pot, and two of them are betting/raising while one of them is just calling everything, that guy is about 95% likely to be on a flush draw or open-ended straight draw. Examine the board and see where it is. This time the flop was JQx rainbow, so he's either got KT or T9. It's a virtual certainty.

[daluchy]

Thanks Dale. Much learned from a hand that prolly shouldn't have happened. It sucks how one slipup can be so costly in this game.

I was so concerned trying to figure out what was being bet and why I didn't even consider what was being called behind me.

Dang why didn't I think of going AI? Probably would of pushed the drawer out and made more from the other.

Okay, it was a costly lesson, but the lesson is learned

[dalecooper]

Dang why didn't I think of going AI? Probably would of pushed the drawer out and made more from the other.

Maybe, maybe not. At least he doesn't get a free card. Anyone smooth calling in an active pot should be considered a snake in the grass, a potential spoiler... either they have a monster they're not afraid to call down with (unlikely, especially given this board) or they're on a draw. Maybe 1 time in 10 or less they'll be a fish with some ridiculous hand, like top pair no kicker, but more often they're in there for the pot odds and hoping to break both of you. I don't know why this guy didn't raise on the end - the only hand that beats him is AT, and anyone who stayed in that pot with AT is an idiot.

[Estrop]

Hmm.. It gets worst. When your game starts improving, your reads start getting better, you've got over the whole, "I got sucked out on" because well, thats poker and you've accepted it. Now, you make a perfect read, a perfect bet, you set someone up and BANG, you get rivered.

Nothing more frustrating for me right now.. Maybe it'll pass. But at least your making good players and right moves. Or are you.. J7s sucks.

[daluchy]

But at least your making good players and right moves. Or are you.. J7s sucks.

Haha that's my game right now. I'll show flashes of brilliance sometimes and moments of stupidity other times...maybe even in the same hand.

I'm a work in progress.