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  1. #1
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    Default Good push?

    I didnt like the board much even though I had the nuts at the time. The other guy bet a small amount characteristic of a drawing hand betting. The board had a crap-load of draws on it and I really had no clue which draws he had, plus he had position on me, so I decided to make him pay to draw.

    I was critcised to no end by the villain after doing this ("you could have made an extra 50 bucks!") but I didnt think it was worth it. In the end I just ended the argument by saying I was a new player and had just started Hold' em lol! So now he prolly thinks I'm a fish.. Anyhow.. Good move?

    ***** Hand History for Game 2282954128 *****
    $400 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, June 29, 17:03:47 EDT 2005
    Table Table 48816 (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: PjerdBrt ( $393.6 )
    Seat 2: demony ( $541.4 )
    Seat 3: knish717 ( $671.25 )
    Seat 4: Vovka19 ( $402.4 )
    Seat 5: I_M_Stuck ( $484.9 )
    Seat 6: Adadise ( $767.8 )
    Seat 7: EvilEcstasy_ ( $293.6 )
    Seat 9: Kallex ( $399.6 )
    Seat 10: jimmyfloyd79 ( $429.65 )
    Seat 8: XXDR_DOOMXX ( $341.51 )
    EvilEcstasy_ posts small blind [$2].
    XXDR_DOOMXX posts big blind [$4].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Tc Th ]
    Kallex folds.
    jimmyfloyd79 folds.
    >You have options at Table 37043 Table!.
    PjerdBrt folds.
    demony folds.
    >You have options at Table 37043 Table!.
    knish717 raises [$11].
    Vovka19 folds.
    >You have options at Table 37043 Table!.
    Adadise: whatd you fold jj?
    >You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
    I_M_Stuck folds.
    Adadise folds.
    EvilEcstasy_ calls [$9].
    XXDR_DOOMXX folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 3c, 8d ]
    EvilEcstasy_ checks.
    >You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
    knish717 bets [$9].
    >You have options at Table 37043 Table!.
    EvilEcstasy_ is all-In [$282.6]
    knish717: lol
    knish717 folds.
    EvilEcstasy_ does not show cards.
    EvilEcstasy_ wins $315.4
    >You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
    Kallex has left the table.
    dont want you drawing
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  2. #2
    I like the move he could've had AA,KK,QQ,JJ making that basically an instant call. You played it fine, the flop was fine because he may easily have had high diamond cards and semi bluffed. If this person was aggressive you could've smooth called as it seems he was in control of the betting from the beginning.

    Good play, but I would've milked more money out of it.
  3. #3
    i personally would have tried to milk it. raise enough so he doesnt have proper odds, you want him to make a mistake and call with bad odds, not fold. if he hits then you still have a redraw. the only thing you could really worry about is the flush draw because i doubt J9 would be opening. and i wouldnt even worry about the flush draw when its heads up, there is only about a 1 in 8 chance that he will have the diamond draw, and then a 1 in 3 chance he will hit it, so i think you have pretty good odds for milking it. sure you will get sucked out on sometimes but milking it will definitely produce more profit than just pushing everytime theres a suited gapper on the board and you have the nuts. you said the board had a crap-load of draws but there were really only 2. make sure you give your opponent a range of hands based on his preflop play so you can eliminate some of the draws. his $9 bet simply looks like a continuation bet to me since he was the preflop raiser, not necessarily a drawing bet.

    but it was the safe play, and you took down the pot.
  4. #4
    Cash game holdem isn't about winning alot of hands. It's about winning big hands and losing little on your losing hands. Here you just pushed him out of the pot with an uncallable bet. You will still probably win but you gotta milk him, try not to be so push happy next time in my opinion.

    This isn't a terrible tourney play however.

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  5. #5
    No need to push here. A pot sized bet would have made the point. It's a leak. He might've called it with AdKd and you could've lost the draw.

    Otherwise, I don't agree that you should slow play this. There's both
    a straight and flush draw on the board.
  6. #6
    I'm not pushing here, Your in an awesome position. milk it.

    if he calls and hits.. which if he has overs and flush draw he hits just over half the time. then your stack is gone. If you see more rounds you can not only milk it, you can get more info, hit fullhouse or quads, and lose less if he hits.
    villain goes AI
    i call with a set (i have him owned)
    i win pot
    villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****

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