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  1. #1

    Default Raise on river?

    I raised on the flop figuring to get a free card off the turn (which I did), and I got my flush on the river. Should I have raised him on the river? I knew he wasn't going to fold after that kind of raise, but if I raised him all-in he would be eliminated, and even if I lost the hand I would still have a healthy chip count. So what should I have done?

    PokerStars Game #2037342413: Tournament #9713839, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/07/05 - 12:40:07 (ET)
    Table '9713839 3' Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Buck Busters (6230 in chips)
    Seat 2: slickgal (3410 in chips)
    Seat 3: ahssoccer23 (10585 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tharese (2390 in chips)
    Seat 7: biggerharley (6880 in chips)
    Seat 9: ragtopchevy (1750 in chips)
    slickgal: posts small blind 75
    ahssoccer23: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ahssoccer23 [2d 7d]
    Tharese: calls 150
    biggerharley: calls 150
    ragtopchevy: calls 150
    Buck Busters: folds
    slickgal: calls 75
    ahssoccer23: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Kd Th 6d]
    slickgal: bets 150
    ahssoccer23: raises 350 to 500
    Tharese: folds
    biggerharley: folds
    ragtopchevy: folds
    slickgal: calls 350
    *** TURN *** [Kd Th 6d] [Ts]
    slickgal: checks
    ahssoccer23: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Kd Th 6d Ts] [Ad]
    slickgal: bets 1350
    ahssoccer23: calls 1350
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    slickgal: shows [Tc 7h] (three of a kind, Tens)
    ahssoccer23: shows [2d 7d] (a flush, Ace high)
    ahssoccer23 collected 4450 from pot
    Tharese said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4450 | Rake 0
    Board [Kd Th 6d Ts Ad]
    Seat 1: Buck Busters (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: slickgal (small blind) showed [Tc 7h] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
    Seat 3: ahssoccer23 (big blind) showed [2d 7d] and won (4450) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 4: Tharese folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: biggerharley folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: ragtopchevy folded on the Flop
  2. #2
    with the pair on the board smooth call is the right play for sure. You're not all that likely to be in against a bigger flush with the A and K out but a FH very possible with the pre flop action.

    Generally I'd say a re raise would only get called by a better hand... although in this spot with this goof checking the turn he would have probably paid off. The higher buy in of the tourney, the more you should smooth call... honestly the more I look at that board the more I think smooth call always the right play.
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    First, to answer your question, "Should have I re-raised him?" My answer would be no, just call. My reasoning is as follows: He bets a large pecentage of the pot on the river so he either has a flush or he does not (Wow, what a deduction on my part ) If he has the flush, what is the chance that it is better than yours? I would say it is quite good. If he does not have the flush what size raise would he call? I would say only a small one at best. If they decide to call your small raise what is to stop them from going all-in, leaving you to figure out if they have a higher flush or not. If they are not going to call any raise, why take the risk of putting one out their?

    This is one of the many situations on the river when it is best to be passive. Many times on the river they will only call your raise when they have you beat.

    There is also something quite interesting in slickgal's flop play. Many times when I have the nut flush draw I will bet 25% of the pot. This gives the other person a 20% of the pot bet to call, which gives them just what they need to justify chasing a flush. Of course you want them to make there flush when you are holding the nut flush, but slickgal wasn't so her play was a error.

    PS: beware of the full house when the board is paired. slickgal may have tried to rep the full house to get you to drop the flush.
    Thanks,
    BreakfastMan

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