This is funny.

[dsaxton]

PokerStars Game #2027658037: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/07/03 - 23:05:21 (ET)
Table 'Duponta' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: UBI2 ($44.45 in chips)
Seat 2: jd075 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: A_Celestial1 ($128.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Big_Stick ($188 in chips)
Seat 5: dsaxton ($250.20 in chips)
Seat 6: RCNgold ($254.10 in chips)
Seat 7: plastikk ($45.15 in chips)
Seat 8: packsthe45 ($199.30 in chips)
Seat 9: INcinerate ($367.35 in chips)
UBI2: posts small blind $1
jd075: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [Tc 9c]
A_Celestial1: raises $4 to $6
Big_Stick: folds
dsaxton: calls $6
RCNgold: folds
plastikk: folds
packsthe45: folds
INcinerate: folds
UBI2: folds
jd075: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [7c 8h 2c]
jd075: checks
A_Celestial1: bets $10
dsaxton: calls $10
jd075: raises $84 to $94 and is all-in
A_Celestial1 is disconnected
A_Celestial1 has timed out while disconnected
A_Celestial1 is being treated as all-in
dsaxton said, "i'll take a gamble"
dsaxton: calls $84
*** TURN *** [7c 8h 2c] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7c 8h 2c 4d] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jd075: shows [Qc 5c] (high card Queen)
dsaxton: shows [Tc 9c] (a pair of Tens)
dsaxton collected $167.40 from side pot
A_Celestial1: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
A_Celestial1 collected $46.60 from main pot
A_Celestial1 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $217 Main pot $46.60. Side pot $167.40. | Rake $3
Board [7c 8h 2c 4d Th]
Seat 1: UBI2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jd075 (big blind) showed [Qc 5c] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 3: A_Celestial1 showed [Qd Qs] and won ($46.60) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Big_Stick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dsaxton showed [Tc 9c] and won ($167.40) with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: RCNgold folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: plastikk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: packsthe45 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: INcinerate (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[a500lbgorilla]

fold preflop.

-'rilla

[Armstrong]

The call preflop is questionable being in MP. Flop is almost perflect flop with draws everywhere. It all came down to if you were willing to gamble...and you were...It paid off.

[bencathers]

Yah for the disconnection abuse on this one

[dodgerfan29]

lol

[arkana]

This is a good example of where thinking you have more outs than you do can get you in serious trouble, jd had the higher flush draw so you were a big dog here.

Hand 1: 36.5657 % [ 00.37 00.00 ] { Tc9c }
Hand 2: 63.4343 % [ 00.63 00.00 ] { Qc5c }

[dsaxton]

fold preflop.

-'rilla

Why?

[realgenius]

yeah id say fold preflop

[dsaxton]

I wouldn't. I like playing middle suited connectors facing only a 2x big blind raise.

[forkmantis]

fold preflop.

-'rilla

Why?

I'll take a stab at this one... not because I think I'm right, but because if my thinking is off, I want to hear other ways of looking at the situation so I can learn too.

You were dealt a marginal hand (group 5) and were in a marginal position facing a preflop raise. There were 6 people to act after you that may have been dealt much better hands, and may have raised again, leaving you with a decision to make.

[dsaxton]

fold preflop.

-'rilla

Why?

I'll take a stab at this one... not because I think I'm right, but because if my thinking is off, I want to hear other ways of looking at the situation so I can learn too.

You were dealt a marginal hand (group 5) and were in a marginal position facing a preflop raise. There were 6 people to act after you that may have been dealt much better hands, and may have raised again, leaving you with a decision to make.

Obviously I didn't think 10 high was the best hand. It's marginal in the same way that 4-4 is a marginal hand. The hands that make the most money in holdem are often not the ones that are statistically the best.

By the way, you do know you don't need the best hand at a showdown in order to win the pot, right?

Plus, I had position on the preflop raiser, which is what matters.

[forkmantis]

I know that you don't have to have the best hand to win the pot. However, to win the pot this way, your opponent has to believe that you have him beat. Raising in early position like A_Celestial did implies a pretty strong hand, and my concern would be wether or not you could have talked him off of that hand if you didn't hit your straight or flush.

My other thought is, if you had that same hand to play 1000 times in a row, would it be a profitable hand? I try to stick to hands that would be profitable more often than not. It seems like in this case the pot may have been small compared to what you payed into it and what your chances were of this hand paying off.

I'm not trying to be critical of your play. I'm just trying to see if my understanding of the game would allow me to correctly understand why you were advised to fold this one preflop.

[a500lbgorilla]

I wouldn't. I like playing middle suited connectors facing only a 2x big blind raise.

Its a 3 bb raise and you'll probably only have position on the PFR and noone else. So if anyone calls behind, you're basically into flop a hand mode and these hands miss so frequently.

-'rilla

[dsaxton]

I wouldn't. I like playing middle suited connectors facing only a 2x big blind raise.

Its a 3 bb raise and you'll probably only have position on the PFR and noone else. So if anyone calls behind, you're basically into flop a hand mode and these hands miss so frequently.

-'rilla

He raised to $6 total, which is a raise of $4.

[a500lbgorilla]

I wouldn't. I like playing middle suited connectors facing only a 2x big blind raise.

Its a 3 bb raise and you'll probably only have position on the PFR and noone else. So if anyone calls behind, you're basically into flop a hand mode and these hands miss so frequently.

-'rilla

He raised to $6 total, which is a raise of $4.

Yes, and it was 6 to call or 3bb. That's considered a 3bb raise.

-'rilla