thought i could print money here with 2 pair

[SinkRox]

[found a way to get different type of HHs, only this s soo long it may even be worse than my usual types???]

** Game ID 291586100 starting - 2005-08-13 00:40:17

** Mayflower [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money



- kingneptune sitting in seat 1 with $19.51

- SinkRox sitting in seat 2 with $19.75

- Robby_D sitting in seat 3 with $25.40

- tegoni sitting in seat 4 with $7.80 [Dealer]

- Raimo sitting in seat 5 with $23.90

- PAROFACES sitting in seat 6 with $35.83

- keny sitting in seat 7 with $6.05

- frodemas sitting in seat 8 with $6.32

- ukguyb3 sitting in seat 10 with $16.17



Raimo posted the small blind - $0.10

PAROFACES posted the big blind - $0.20



** Dealing card to SinkRox: Ace of Spades, Jack of Hearts

keny folded

frodemas folded

ukguyb3 folded

kingneptune called - $0.20

SinkRox called - $0.20

Robby_D folded

tegoni folded

Raimo raised - $0.70

PAROFACES folded

kingneptune called - $0.70

SinkRox called - $0.70



** Dealing the flop: 2 of Clubs, Ace of Diamonds, Jack of Spades

Raimo checked

kingneptune checked

SinkRox bet - $1.00

Raimo called - $1.00

kingneptune folded



** Dealing the turn: 4 of Diamonds

Raimo checked

SinkRox bet - $3.00

Raimo went all-in - $22.30

SinkRox went all-in - $15.05



** Dealing the river: 10 of Hearts

Raimo shows: Jack of Clubs, Jack of Diamonds

Raimo wins $38.40 from the main pot



End of game 291586100

[ChrisBCritter]

That woulda been a really tough lay-down at the turn. maybe I'm paranoid, but his play screamed a set of jacks when he flat called your flop bet...

[EricE]

Hmmm. He raises it PF so I'd put him on JJ or AJ or AA (once he goes AI on the turn). It seems like your best outcome is a split.

[DrNoChance]

On a side note, I don't like to call pre-flop raises with AJo 8 handed for exactly this reason....you can be very often be dominated (which you were).

Post flop, his flat call on the flop and then push on the turn when a blank hits does seem to scream set. It's hard to think he'd play AK/AQ that way, but then people do strange things sometimes. If you think there is any chance he'd play AQ/AK that strangely then it's a crying call (shrug)...

[journey075]

fairly careless preflop, but im losing my stack on that board.

[baudib]

Almost the exact same thing happened to me yesterday....

I've finally come to realize that AJ is basically a garbage hand, perhaps useful late in tournaments when you need to double up or steal the blinds. But against any real raise, it is an automatic fold. Against true strong hands you are at best an underdog/coin flip and at worst, totally dominated. unless you flop a boat or if J is top pair, you are almost always going to lose to any real hands and can lose a ton of money to the these -- AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ.

I want to play AJ in multi-way pots that were unraised preflop. That way you dominate garbage aces if the A hits and totally dominate hands like J10, QJ or KJ.

However, there was a ring game in a $50 buy-in/50-cent blinds and I limped in the SB with AJ. The BB and four others call. the flop came out AJ x and someone bet the pot and I re-raised. He pushed and I called. I thought I had it for sure, with someone playing some garbage ace or maybe hit second and third pair. He showed JJ. Lost $80.

It's hard for me to believe that anyone would risk JJ with so many limpers.

[SinkRox]

his raise was only 3.5 BBs which at this stake is very small plus id already limped, at least this has been a lesson learnt for this specific situation (same with baudib!)