River play

[Bo G]

***** Hand History for Game 2742031776 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 19, 23:10:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 54959 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: DADLMS ( $35.59 )
Seat 3: DefChamps ( $27.40 )
Seat 4: AustinButler ( $29.30 )
Seat 5: SuicideKing_ ( $24.58 )
Seat 6: bgilic ( $24.25 )
AustinButler posts small blind [$0.10].
SuicideKing_ posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bgilic [ Qs Ks ]
bgilic raises [$1].
DADLMS folds.
DefChamps folds.
AustinButler raises [$3.90].
SuicideKing_ folds.
bgilic calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Kc, Qc ]
AustinButler checks.
bgilic bets [$3].
AustinButler calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
AustinButler checks.
bgilic checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
AustinButler is all-In.
bgilic ???

If he has KK or AA he is beating me or is this river bluff? Can you fold your boat?

[edudlive]

sorry, but i'll pay it off he if has a better boat all day long

You should bet the turn here for information.

Always call the river, boat over boat in a 6 max game is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very rare!!

[edudlive]

just like to add that I think he has a flush

[Bo G]

bgilic is all-In.
AustinButler shows [ Jh, Js ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
bgilic shows [ Qs, Ks ] a full house, Queens full of kings.
AustinButler wins $5.05 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and jacks.
bgilic wins $46.75 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of kings.

Not sure about betting on turn since if he pushes there I have to fold because of the flush posibility along with KK or QQ. When Q fell on river my logic was if he has AA or KK I will pay him off since those are the only 2 hands that beat me right here while on turn a lot more are beating me.

[edudlive]

was he a maniac player? or just dumb? that was a very bad move for him...

[alias2211]

1. bet the turn.

2. If he had AA/KK, don't you think he'd offer a little more resistance, i.e. raising your early position bets? I mean that PFR of $3.90 made it seem like he could have a premo PP, to be sure. But then he checks the flop and turn? Makes AA very unlikely, and it's doubtful he'd slowplay the trip cowboys with that board.

Nice call.

[PokerPatNEU]

What about AQ? Still not often enough to fold the river. I think more than half the time this is a busted draw or bluff trying to represent the trips when the board pairs. No way is folding this river +EV.

[Bo G]

I do agree he made a mistake by just calling my information flop bet. This lost all the credibility of having AA or KK that is the only reason I felt it was a river bluff. Not to say if he raised me on flop I wouldnt have pushed because top 2 pair I will almost always push but it just gave me more info on his hand to make a tough call on the river.

Once an A and flush fell on turn I did feel he had me since AK, AQ, and flush has me beat that is why I checked. River gave me a boat so eliminated AK and flush leaving only AA and KK as dangarous hands and I do agree with alias that he doesn't slow play AA or KK on the flop with that board.

I am not saying my logic is right but just trying to explain my thought process. He was arguing with me for next 30 min about how he was representing AA or KK and that it was a terrible call on my part. He might have a point this is one of those hands that you can talk about for a while.

[drmcboy]

everyone is OK calling this raise with KQs OOP? I'm folding pre flop.

[STIdrivr]

How can he say he is representing AA or KK, he check calls the flop when there are 2 big connecting cards that are suited, checks the turn when the flush or straight hits, and goes all in on river. I know a lot of people slow play (not me due to many bad beats,unless i have quads or better) but you cant slow play when you dont have a really good hand then bluff on the end and expect the person to have expected you to slow play. Unless you guys were playing for hours or you have played before...