Suited connectors

[johnny_fish]

I read and thought a bit about the implied odds of small suited connectors, so I decided to be a bit looser with them preflop. It doesn't feel to make really sense so far though, but that's probably my fishy way of playing them Any thoughts about these hands?

** Game ID 505879738 starting - 2005-09-20 12:10:55

** Still Small Voice [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- WPT-player sitting in seat 1 with $3.25
- SirTwist sitting in seat 2 with $2.20
- fjant sitting in seat 3 with $9.45 [Dealer]
- EvilAllIn sitting in seat 4 with $16.05
- BABUSZKA333 sitting in seat 5 with $22.92
- Sakiboy sitting in seat 6 with $15.60
- bjerkiss sitting in seat 7 with $12.90
- Pixit sitting in seat 8 with $19.95
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 9 with $20.10
- 44harkins sitting in seat 10 with $25.60

EvilAllIn posted the small blind - $0.10
BABUSZKA333 posted the big blind - $0.20

** Dealing card to johnny291281: 5 of Clubs, 6 of Clubs

Sakiboy folded
bjerkiss called - $0.20
Pixit called - $0.20
johnny291281 called - $0.20
44harkins folded
WPT-player raised - $1.00
SirTwist folded
fjant called - $1.00
EvilAllIn folded
BABUSZKA333 folded
bjerkiss called - $1.00
Pixit folded
johnny291281 called - $1.00

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Clubs, 7 of Spades, 5 of Spades

bjerkiss checked
johnny291281 checked
WPT-player checked
fjant bet - $1.40
bjerkiss folded
johnny291281 called - $1.40
WPT-player folded

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Diamonds

johnny291281 checked
fjant bet - $2.20
johnny291281 called - $2.20

** Dealing the river: 10 of Diamonds

johnny291281 checked
fjant bet - $3.40
johnny291281 folded

fjant mucks: Jack of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
fjant wins $14.80 from the main pot

End of game 505879738

hand #2:

** Game ID 505885472 starting - 2005-09-20 12:19:29
** Stumbling Stone [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- BABUSZKA333 sitting in seat 1 with $16.90
- debug sitting in seat 2 with $7.25
- ztesas sitting in seat 3 with $23.45 [Dealer]
- mslego sitting in seat 4 with $19.50
- 44harkins sitting in seat 5 with $22.55
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 6 with $25.25
- Sakiboy sitting in seat 7 with $4.40
- kingbass1111 sitting in seat 8 with $8.82
- smokinjoe3 sitting in seat 9 with $37.86
- L4rs sitting in seat 10 with $16.70

mslego posted the small blind - $0.10
44harkins posted the big blind - $0.20
kingbass1111 posted to play - $0.20

** Dealing card to johnny291281: 6 of Spades, 5 of Spades

johnny291281 called - $0.20
Sakiboy folded
kingbass1111 checked
smokinjoe3 folded
L4rs folded
BABUSZKA333 folded
debug called - $0.20
ztesas raised - $0.60
mslego called - $0.60
44harkins called - $0.60
johnny291281 called - $0.60
kingbass1111 folded
debug called - $0.60

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Clubs, 6 of Diamonds, 3 of Diamonds

mslego checked
44harkins checked
johnny291281 checked
debug checked
ztesas bet - $0.60
mslego folded
44harkins called - $0.60
johnny291281 raised - $1.20
debug called - $1.20
ztesas called - $1.20
44harkins folded

** Dealing the turn: 8 of Spades

johnny291281 checked
debug checked
ztesas bet - $2.00
johnny291281 called - $2.00
debug called - $2.00

** Dealing the river: 10 of Diamonds

johnny291281 checked
debug checked
ztesas checked

ztesas shows: Jack of Hearts, Jack of Spades
johnny291281 mucks: 6 of Spades, 5 of Spades
debug shows: Jack of Diamonds, 4 of Diamonds
debug wins $13.10 from the main pot

End of game 505885472

[biondino]

Suited connectors are very position-dependent - only play them in early pos at a very weak table because once you get raised and the number of players seeing the flop is reduced, your implied odds are crumbling.

Your minraise on the flop is a TERRIBLE move - you need to improve to win the hand so you should be trying to stay in as cheaply as possible.

[Rondavu]

Suited connectors are very position-dependent - only play them in early pos at a very weak table because once you get raised and the number of players seeing the flop is reduced, your implied odds are crumbling.

Your minraise on the flop is a TERRIBLE move - you need to improve to win the hand so you should be trying to stay in as cheaply as possible.

I think you mean only play them in LATE position.

If you're going to start playing these tricky hands, you better realize that one pair isn't gonna do it. You're killing yourself by making classic rag mistakes.

[Rondavu]

Double Post

[johnny_fish]

So I should fold preflop in hand #2 like I used to do.. What about the first hand? Is it +EV to call the 5BB raise here after 2 callers? What if the other 3 had bigger stacks?