What would you do on this hand.

[hoaznod]

I was wondering what you would do at each level (flop, turn, river), what i did wrong, and what you think he has.

I thought i played this well but after looking back and asking some friends i'm not too sure.

Hand #8515202-6762 at Yuba City (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 03/Oct/05 00:20:20

timberland000 is at seat 0 with $49.
DimSum868 is at seat 1 with $207.70.
Chesmuffin1 is at seat 2 with $52.90.
rwright is at seat 3 with $31.
LuckOfDeIrish is at seat 4 with $127.60.
dhw1115 is at seat 5 with $58.10.
P00P is at seat 6 with $94.95.
reymarblue13 is at seat 7 with $81.50.
roffletown is at seat 8 with $65.35.
kuma is at seat 9 with $115.15.
The button is at seat 8.

kuma posts the small blind of $.50.
timberland000 posts the big blind of $1.

timberland000: -- --
DimSum868: -- --
Chesmuffin1: -- --
rwright: -- --
LuckOfDeIrish: -- --
dhw1115: -- --
P00P: -- --
reymarblue13: -- --
roffletown: Kh Qd
kuma: -- --

Pre-flop:

DimSum868 calls.
Chesmuffin1 folds.
rwright folds.
LuckOfDeIrish folds.
dhw1115 calls.
P00P raises to $5.50.
reymarblue13 folds.
roffletown calls.
kuma folds.
timberland000 folds.
DimSum868 calls.
dhw1115 calls.

Flop (board: 2d 5h Kc):

DimSum868 checks.
dhw1115 bets $7.
P00P folds.
roffletown calls.
DimSum868 folds.

Turn (board: 2d 5h Kc Ts):

dhw1115 bets $7.
roffletown calls.

River (board: 2d 5h Kc Ts 9d):

dhw1115 bets $7.
roffletown goes all-in for $45.85.
dhw1115 goes all-in for $38.60.
roffletown is
returned $7.25 (uncalled).

[Lexicon Devil]

roffletown goes all-in for $45.85.

Up to this point I don't know what he has, and that's exactly the problem. You've done nothing to define your hand or gather any clues as to what he holds - this is the problem with calling all the way.

PREFLOP:

Is 5.5x this guy's standard raise? If not, I probably wouldn't even be playing this hand, unless the guy is loose-aggressive.

FLOP:

Why are you calling? This is definitely a raising situation. If he comes over the top reassess - without any reads, fold.

RIVER:

Is this a bluff, or do you actually still think you have the best hand?

[PokerPatNEU]

Could easily be AA AK or KK.

Since you are in position i would probably raise the flop and see if he was just continuing. If he raises or calls then leads out again on the turn, you're way beat.

His turn bet is small but it could be because he doesn't want to let you off the hand. Without having raised the flop it's hard to say if he is weak or really strong.

River bet is the same size, which is small compared to the pot at this point. Going all in on the river here accomplishes nothing though. There is no worse hand that is going to call you, and no better hand that you are going to be able to make lay down. At this point i think you can't fold because the bet is so small compared to the pot and villain might be full of crap, so just call the river and show it down, but i think you're beat here.

[r8ed]

There are many opportunities for you to fold this hand - one being preflop but many people make this call. KQo isn't worth it unless you know this guy is loose and nobody will call behind. The fact that another player enters the flop is dangerous. Each decision in this hand is borderline, but there is no shame in folding this hand.

The river is where you made a poor play regardless of the outcome. You should call and either make less or lose less. It's best to do this when you don't have the nuts. As PokerPatNEU mentions - only a better hand calls this.

[hoaznod]

ok i understand what you guys are saying and i agree i played it bad but i wanted to explain my reasoning behind my play at the time.

preflop
-the standard raise at this table was around 4.5-5.50 which is why so many people were playing preflop.
-i put dhw on either a smaller pp or a K with a low kicker because he didn't raise preflop even though he was 5th to act.

flop
-this guy was noted as liking to bet small with nothing to feign like he has something and this bet was telling me he had mid pair if anything at all.
(rethinking it i should take yalls advice and reraise to see what he has so i can fold)

turn
-now he's betting 7 dollars into an even smaller pot and i'm getting confused since like you guys said i didn't reraise to see what he had.
-still think he has the small pp or the K with low kicker

river
-again 7 dollars i thought i smelled weakness so i reraised AI.
-i thought with either the straight possibility and a 2 pair possibility he would back down, even though it took him 30 seconds to call me, and right after he called he said that 'he was almost 100% sure he was beat'...yet he still called.

just wondering if my logic was horrible. even though i now know to reraise to see what the person has.

[Irisheyes]

P00P raises to $5.50.
reymarblue13 folds.
roffletown calls. <-- First mistake, he could have AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ in which case you're dominated. I fold here

Flop (board: 2d 5h Kc):


DimSum868 checks.
dhw1115 bets $7.
P00P folds.
roffletown calls. <-- Second mistake, you dont define your hand, and on the turn you still have no idea what he has, I raise him to $21, if he raises me I can fold knowing I was beaten with minimal loss
DimSum868 folds.

Turn (board: 2d 5h Kc Ts):

dhw1115 bets $7.
roffletown calls. <-- Third mistake for same reasons as second mistake

River (board: 2d 5h Kc Ts 9d):

dhw1115 bets $7.
roffletown goes all-in for $45.85. <-- This I don't understand, is this a bluff or what, here you defime your hand, when its too late
dhw1115 goes all-in for $38.60. <-- And here he says he can beat you
roffletown is
returned $7.25 (uncalled).



I think you lost this one to a set.

[Rondavu]

river
-again 7 dollars i thought i smelled weakness so i reraised AI.
-i thought with either the straight possibility and a 2 pair possibility he would back down, even though it took him 30 seconds to call me, and right after he called he said that 'he was almost 100% sure he was beat'...yet he still called.

just wondering if my logic was horrible. even though i now know to reraise to see what the person has.

Your river logic is very very bad. You have one pair with a Q kicker. You said "I thought i smelled weakness so i reraised AI". Well, here's my question to you. Does weakness call that bet by you? You only want to go all in when you want someone to fold, or when you feel someone might call with a weaker hand. Clearly neither was the case here.

Essentially what you did is you put in an additional $38 dollars and said "Well if you have me beat take all my money, and if you don't then I make no return on it."

Taking a big risk with almost no expectation of reward is -EV.

[Greedo017]

fold preflop. the preflop raises are big, so you should play less hands preflop, not more.

raise on the flop or turn. i bet he might bet small with a big hand as well as with a small hand, you can't be certain and your hand is weak, find something out!

you can't just push the river like that. he could have a bunch of stuff, a lot of which beats you. he could've rivered two pair himself, or have flopped a set and figure you for the straight. either way, don't do it. i'd call, but i'd be pretty sure i was behind anyway.