He must hate money

[PO$$E$$ED]

I had been at the table for about 15 minutes when this hand came up. JoCamara7 had been playing around 90 percent of his hands and was about the loosest player I've ever seen at any stake. His re-raise all-in on the river baffles me.

***** Hand History for Game 2766244875 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, September 24, 06:03:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 54881 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: StraycatTNT ( $1052.70 )
Seat 3: sidinman1 ( $1289 )
Seat 4: JoCamara7 ( $2192.50 )
Seat 5: smallstakes ( $1347 )
Seat 6: ChinaTown02 ( $8375.50 )
Seat 7: b9291974 ( $3845 )
Seat 10:PO$$E$$ED ( $1950 )
Seat 8: ROC_a_fella_ ( $669 )
Seat 2: ThisStoneAge ( $427 )
Seat 9: nanonoko ( $2000 )
ThisStoneAge posts small blind [$10].
sidinman1 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ 8s Js ]
JoCamara7 calls [$20].
smallstakes folds.
b9291974 folds.
ROC_a_fella_ folds.
nanonoko folds.
>You have options at Table 54667 (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$20].
ThisStoneAge raises [$101].
sidinman1 calls [$91].
JoCamara7 calls [$91].
PO$$E$$ED calls [$91].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 3s, 8c ]
ThisStoneAge checks.
>You have options at Table 54667 (No DP) Table!.
sidinman1 checks.
JoCamara7 checks.
PO$$E$$ED checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
ThisStoneAge checks.
sidinman1 checks.
ChinaTown02 has left the table.
JoCamara7 checks.
PO$$E$$ED checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
ThisStoneAge checks.
sidinman1 checks.
JoCamara7 bets [$300].
>You have options at Table 54667 (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED raises [$999].
ThisStoneAge folds.
sidinman1 folds.
>You have options at Table 54667 (No DP) Table!.
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MR_COLEY: he bluffin
JoCamara7 is all-In.
PO$$E$$ED is all-In.
PO$$E$$ED shows [ 8s, Js ] three of a kind, eights.
JoCamara7 shows [ 7s, Ks ] a pair of eights.
JoCamara7 wins $242.50 from side pot #1 with a pair of eights.
PO$$E$$ED wins $4119 from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.

Why

[Ivory]

lol this is kinda funny.... maybe he thought the guy who said "he bluffin" was talking about you.

[Tommydx]

How come you're limping from first with that, then calling a raise?

[PO$$E$$ED]

First of all Tommy, I was on the button, not in first position. And like I said before, JoCamara7 had been playing close to all his hands and I was just waiting to catch something to bust him with. I have no problem calling that raise because there were already three people in the hand, I already had 20 dollars invested, and I would be last to act. The guy who raised from the small blind probably had AK, and I didn't put the big blind on much, maybe small to mid-pair.

[spino1i]

playing J8s in a raised pot = bad idea. Very likely your going to be dominated. What if instead of AK and 66 they had KJ and 88? Now your f'ed lol! You have position here, but still save your money for a better hand. I would fold pre-flop. Besides, your were already dominated to some degree since the villain was drawing to a higher spade flush then you were.

[gabe]

playing J8s in a raised pot = bad idea. Very likely your going to be dominated.

because you aren't playing it for TP value

[spino1i]

playing J8s in a raised pot = bad idea. Very likely your going to be dominated.

because you aren't playing it for TP value

What value are you playing it for? Miracle card value? lol

[gabe]

playing J8s in a raised pot = bad idea. Very likely your going to be dominated.

because you aren't playing it for TP value

What value are you playing it for? Miracle card value? lol

yes. miracle card value.

[Fnord]

How come you're limping from first with that, then calling a raise?

When horrible players are in the pot, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?

[MAX]

I am not a high stakes player but Love Fnord's question:

"When horrible players are in the pot, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?"

I do think question ought to be:
When horrible players are in the game, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?

I Play a home game that usually includes 1 really bad player and have developed a pretty good strategy for getting his money before everyone else- I loosen up my starting hand requirements just a little, and overplay every thing preflop w/5bb raises to make the good players fold and isolate the Fish. Once the flop comes, overcharge him for draws. Also, when the Flop/Turn checks down, if the river completes any kind of draw, bet it(this is where fish can laydown a pair). Otherwise, don't bluff the river(fish will call with bottom or low pp on non coordinated boards). They end up winning nothing but small pots and losing big ones.

This is what works consistently for me. Isolation is the universal strategy, the post flop play depends on what leaks you can identify in their game.

[PO$$E$$ED]

I think this is the biggest pot I've won to date. 3 people went all-in before the river, and only one of them had a legitimate hand. In retrospect I should've raised more pre-flop, especially at such a wild table. I will admit I got pretty lucky on this hand. I can't decide who made the worst plays in this pot- me for not raising more pre-flop, PokerJokir for going all-in on the flop with only top pair and bad kicker, socalgal7 for slowplaying her set, or poseidon68 for going all-in on the turn with nothing but a flush draw.


***** Hand History for Game 2805511988 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, October 01, 04:18:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 55082 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerJokir ( $249.75 )
Seat 5: PO$$E$$ED ( $2148.25 )
Seat 6: TGalganski ( $475.55 )
Seat 4: poseidon68 ( $975 )
Seat 2: socalgal7 ( $346 )
socalgal7 posts small blind [$5].
poseidon68 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ Kd Kh ]
>You have options at Table 54661 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 54661 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED raises [$40].
TGalganski folds.
PokerJokir calls [$40].
socalgal7 calls [$35].
poseidon68 calls [$30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 7c, Jd ]
socalgal7 checks.
poseidon68 checks.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$130].
PokerJokir is all-In.
>You have options at Table 54661 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
socalgal7 calls [$209.75].
poseidon68 calls [$209.75].
>You have options at Table 54661 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$79.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
socalgal7 is all-In.
poseidon68 is all-In.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$725.25].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
>You have options at Table 54661 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
socalgal7 shows [ 7s, 7h ] three of a kind, sevens.
poseidon68 shows [ 8d, Ad ] high card ace.
PO$$E$$ED shows [ Kd, Kh ] three of a kind, kings.
PokerJokir doesn't show [ 8h, Qh ] a pair of queens.
PO$$E$$ED wins $1258 from side pot #2 with three of a kind, kings.
PO$$E$$ED wins $288.75 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
PO$$E$$ED wins $997 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.

[SmackinYaUp]

How come you're limping from first with that, then calling a raise?

When horrible players are in the pot, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?

Fnord, I am not asking this in a mocking or sarcastic tone:

Do you really think that calling raises with hands like J8s is going to be profitable in the long term?

Sure, that hand might hit a miracle flop, someobody might hit a second best hand, and it might destack them, but those limps and calls add up according to PT.

I think that the only way to profit in the long term when playing shitty hands for raises is when you a) have the ability to move opponents off of their hands postflop and b) play in a game where table image means something

I have no hard numbers at hand to back it up so I am completely open to other views.

[Vrax]

I am not a high stakes player but Love Fnord's question:

"When horrible players are in the pot, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?"

I do think question ought to be:
When horrible players are in the game, how might one adapt if you wish to beat the game for the max?

I Play a home game that usually includes 1 really bad player and have developed a pretty good strategy for getting his money before everyone else- I loosen up my starting hand requirements just a little, and overplay every thing preflop w/5bb raises to make the good players fold and isolate the Fish. Once the flop comes, overcharge him for draws. Also, when the Flop/Turn checks down, if the river completes any kind of draw, bet it(this is where fish can laydown a pair). Otherwise, don't bluff the river(fish will call with bottom or low pp on non coordinated boards). They end up winning nothing but small pots and losing big ones.

This is what works consistently for me. Isolation is the universal strategy, the post flop play depends on what leaks you can identify in their game.

Well, my guess is, the way of playing those hands is "make complete hand as cheap as possible" then drop the hammer. First and biggest fish tendencies is loose calls and not enough raising, then no protection bets etc. You can crack their TPTK's and flopped 2 pairs for a cost of 3 big blinds or so....while making THEM paying for drawing.

OR make the boat while they make trips and destack them on single river overbet if they are real suckers for big raises. Counterplay can be useful here...

[RbSX]

Looks like you've hit the streak that I haven't hit in about a week.

But I agree with what everyone else said, well played except for the j8, which wasn't poorly played, but the fact is you just got a lucky river.