overpair on the river

[Greedo017]

ok, this guy is a pretty decent toolbag, 36/6, but I wouldn't expect them to be TOO bad. so, hand played ok, and river i do what?

***** Hand History for Game 3086573581 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 24, 02:59:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 65352 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: Caulaincourt ( $39.81 )
Seat 3: alanq ( $22.71 )
Seat 4: KevinJB ( $49.95 )
Seat 5: cwbeinbo6192 ( $156.52 )
Seat 7: garbler ( $47.22 )
Seat 9: Flybynight32 ( $48.93 )
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $48 )
Seat 10: Cshaf256 ( $10 )
Flybynight32 posts small blind [$0.25].
Cshaf256 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Kh Kd ]
Wahoo2006 raises [$2].
Caulaincourt folds.
alanq folds.
KevinJB folds.
cwbeinbo6192 calls [$2].
garbler folds.
Flybynight32 folds.
Cshaf256 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 2d, 6h ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$3].
cwbeinbo6192 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$7].
cwbeinbo6192 calls [$7].
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$14].
cwbeinbo6192 raises [$36.69].

[finky]

Unless you have seen him pull some big river bluffs I think its a fold, This really smells like a slowplayed set or full house. Villian is quite loose so 56s/67s could easaly be in that range along with any PP. The only hands your ahead of, TT/JJ which don't push that river and I can't really see him holding on with a AQ.


edit: woo hoo, i've got a lovely pair

[johnny_fish]

What worse hand could he have that calls the river bet?

River raises are almost never bluffs and you're certainly beat.

[Greedo017]

you don't think someone slowplaying raises the turn?

[johnny_fish]

you don't think someone slowplaying raises the turn?

Why? He's got position on you and he's unlikely to be outdrawn.

[Greedo017]

because my turn bet was only 7, i obviously like my hand, and it will be a lot harder to get it all in on the river without some type of raise here because he will have to make a pretty big reraise ala what he did.

[Miffed22001]

50nl
you're beat
but wtf does he have.
if you put a decent amount in the poit as you did on the turn i would just call with a set here and then push the river because i know you like your hand. Its not a normal play of mine but here you like your hand so hell ill just cold call you then put you to a tough decision i dont think you can get away from.

[johnny_fish]

but wtf does he have.

I'd play 99, 66, 22 like this.

[Greedo017]

this is an ongoing problem of mine. I constantly feel like, if i didn't given the person the correct odds to make the call on the flop or turn, then they can't possibly have a hand that I have EV wise eliminated. but, i need to be able to fold to aggression when its obvious i've been outdrawn, i just can't do it in certain situations. this one here is another one. I know i should've folded the river, but WTF does he have? he is rocky btw.

***** Hand History for Game 3089145207 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 24, 18:02:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 65026 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: paulwolf ( $29.68 )
Seat 2: wrench604 ( $62.10 )
Seat 4: herandme ( $15.64 )
Seat 5: gmtfooh ( $9.60 )
Seat 6: derby1212 ( $37.49 )
Seat 7: blackworm ( $29.85 )
Seat 8: Bdth3 ( $5.65 )
Seat 9: Mars__ ( $25 )
Seat 10: Wahoo2006 ( $24.75 )
Bdth3 posts small blind [$0.10].
Mars__ posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Kh Ah ]
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
paulwolf folds.
wrench604 folds.
herandme folds.
gmtfooh calls [$1].
derby1212 folds.
blackworm folds.
Bdth3 did not respond in time.
Bdth3 folds.
Mars__ calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 4h, Qs ]
Mars__ checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$2].
gmtfooh folds.
Mars__ raises [$6].
Wahoo2006 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Mars__ bets [$5].
Wahoo2006 calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
Mars__ is all-In [$13]
Wahoo2006 is all-In [$12.75]

[rubixstreub]

I think I'd play this second hand the same... you might lose him on the turn if you raise, but that's the safer move. He's repping the Queen which I doubt he could get away from even if you raise the turn (epecially AQ which really screws you on the river). I don't think there's anyway to push AQ or KQ off this hand and it's just a shame if a A,K,Q hits that river.