Stupid Hand

[sejje]

Don't know what to do here. Check-fold turn? Check-call? Try and keep the pot small? I'm lost.

$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 30, 19:36:55 EDT 2005
Seat 1: jonnnylove ( $16.49 )
Seat 2: OneRichCrook ( $166.33 )
Seat 3: darknesstwin ( $43.80 )
Seat 4: sejje ( $49 )
Seat 5: JayP37 ( $12.25 )
Seat 6: Bridgeur_ ( $89.50 )
Seat 8: almartina ( $48.97 )
Seat 10: eightsinhole ( $59.90 )
Seat 9: sar_ann22 ( $61.90 )
Seat 7: SystemX ( $30 )
sar_ann22 posts small blind [$0.25].
eightsinhole posts big blind [$0.50].
SystemX posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ Qc Qd ]
jonnnylove folds.
OneRichCrook calls [$0.50].
darknesstwin calls [$0.50].
sejje raises [$3].
JayP37 folds.
Bridgeur_ folds.
SystemX folds.
almartina calls [$3].
sar_ann22 folds.
eightsinhole folds.
OneRichCrook calls [$2.50].
darknesstwin calls [$2.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Td, 6s ]
OneRichCrook bets [$2].
darknesstwin calls [$2].
sejje raises [$13].
almartina calls [$13]. <---warning sign? this is the guy I'm scared of at this point
OneRichCrook folds.
darknesstwin calls [$11].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
darknesstwin checks.
sejje ???

sejje is all-In [$33]
almartina is all-In [$32.97]
darknesstwin is all-In [$27.80]

Should I check the turn? I think I have to get it all in here or fold, right?

[johnny_fish]

Check-fold. Best scenario would be TPTK and flush draw. There's probably a set though.

[DaHorror]

I had a similar scenario earlier today with an AA hand on a flop of Q35 with a flush draw visible. Two other players calling my big flop bet and allin on the turn (they were shorter-stacked than I was) - turned out 1 guy had KQ and the other had QT...sometimes it's really tough to tell whether or not you are ahead because of crap like that (which of course having two top-pair fish calling you down is a wonderful thing).

In this case - I don't see how you get away from QQ here versus a slow-played set unless you just check-fold as you said (who does that?) - mainly because of the third person in the pot and you the baloney in the sandwich. You check and #3 there checks - crap you just gave a free card to the flush draw.

I'm guessing here Darkness is the one on the draw - and alm has just got top pair (why would he just call your reraise there with a set and a flush draw apparent and the other guy likely to be chasing it - hell he's giving odds to the first guy to chase darn him!

[BankItDrew]

In an $18 pot when it's your turn and you have 3 other people in the pot with flush and straight potential on the board - drop the hammer! I'm talking a $20 - $25 bet here, not some $13 easy call bet...

If you bet $13 into an $18 pot, the guy to your right now has the option of investing $13 into a $31 pot, with two others to still make a move. Don't give anyone these great pot odds or you'll be loosing by the turn.

[rubixstreub]

In an $18 pot when it's your turn and you have 3 other people in the pot with flush and straight potential on the board - drop the hammer! I'm talking a $20 - $25 bet here, not some $13 easy call bet...

If you bet $13 into an $18 pot, the guy to your right now has the option of investing $13 into a $31 pot, with two others to still make a move. Don't give anyone these great pot odds or you'll be loosing by the turn.

What's your line if the villian calls the hammer. No other choice but push? I only ask because it seems inevitable that you lose you stack with overcards to a set when you lead on draw heavy boards like this.

[BankItDrew]

Maybe a push AI on the flop would have been a good idea then, because I'm not worried about AA or KK w/out the preflop raise.

If villain calls the hammer on the flop, and the turn is:

rags: overbet the possible draw for the river. If the river is a scare card, value bet. If the river is rags, value bet. Reconsider your position if raised.

scare card (ie. K, A, s): check. If villain bets here, consider it's worth in calling and reconsider your position.