River bet amounts OK here?

[r8ed]

sukerpuncher is loose preflop. I haven't been here long enough to see much postflop.

Seat 4: sukerpuncher ( $75.68)
Seat 9: jandje ( $26.40)
jandje posts small blind (0.10)
phattypati03 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Ac, Qh ]
Shadey2541 folds.
j_wat folds.
sukerpuncher calls (0.25)
racer777111 calls (0.25)
board_bum folds.
Mace_Du folds.
KCTheDuke calls (0.25)
jandje raises (1.40) to 1.50
phattypati03 folds.
sukerpuncher calls (1.25)
racer777111 folds.
KCTheDuke folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 8s, 2s ]
jandje bets (3)
sukerpuncher calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
KCTheDuke: lol
jandje bets (5)
sukerpuncher: ithink im beat r
sukerpuncher calls (5)
** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ]
sukerpuncher: but
jandje bets (6)

Trambler is a calling station that also sees 75% of the flops.

Seat 2: Trambler ( $37.60)
Seat 5: TitanTiger ( $17.59)
Seat 9: jandje ( $35.75)
xxentreri posts small blind (0.10)
GrandeRojo posts big blind (0.25)
TitanTiger posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Kh, Ad ]
jandje raises (1.50) to 1.50
EdGrahm folds.
Trambler calls (1.50)
j_wat folds.
sukerpuncher folds.
TitanTiger calls (1.25)
board_bum folds.
xxentreri folds.
GrandeRojo folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 4d, Kd ]
jandje checks.
Trambler bets (1)
TitanTiger folds.
jandje calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
jandje bets (4)
Trambler calls (4)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2c ]
jandje bets (7)

[bdawg56kg]

First hand I wouldn't raise AQo out of the small blind, but as far as the river is concerned, I like a check/call line. Let villian bluff his busted draw. Blocking bet is fine too. Check/calling in hopes of villian bluffin his busted draw is a risky play, but can be very profitable if you have the right read. Heres an example:

Game #1139656697 - (blinds $0.50/$1) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/08-01:32:10.0 (CST)
Table "Kuria" (real money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: GWB70 ($20.00 in chips)
Seat 2: B_Rice56 ($97.00 in chips)
Seat 3: mystic333 ($118.75 in chips)
Seat 4: hankiote ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Luv4theDuece ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 7: nonsequitar ($98.00 in chips)
Seat 8: bunnisoos ($144.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Miura Kaito ($100.75 in chips)
Seat 10: tony blonde ($100.00 in chips)
nonsequitar: Post Small Blind ($0.50)
bunnisoos: Post Big Blind ($1)
tony blonde: Sit out
GWB70 : Post ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to B_Rice56 [ Ad ]
Dealt to B_Rice56 [ Ks ]
Miura Kaito: Fold
GWB70 : Check
B_Rice56: Raise ($4.50)
mystic333: Call ($4.50)
hankiote: Fold
nonsequitar: Call ($4)
bunnisoos: Fold
GWB70 : Fold
*** FLOP *** : [ Kc Th 6h ]
nonsequitar: Check
B_Rice56: Bet ($11)
mystic333: Call ($11)
nonsequitar: Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Kc Th 6h ] [ 8d ]
B_Rice56: Bet ($25)
mystic333: Call ($25)
*** RIVER *** : [ Kc Th 6h 8d ] [ 2s ]
B_Rice56: Check
mystic333: Bet ($30)
B_Rice56: Call ($30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $144.50 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Kc Th 6h 8d 2s ]
GWB70 lost $1 (folded)
B_Rice56 bet $70.50, collected $144.50, net +$74 (showed hand) [ Ad Ks ] (a pair of kings)
mystic333 lost $70.50 (showed hand) [ Js Qd ] (high card king)



For the 2nd hand, why are you slowplaying on the flop if villian is a known calling station, especially with a flush draw out. The general rule against calling station is don't bluff em, and don't slowplay em. I throw down the hammer and let villian chase with horrible odds. Pot or 3/4 pot on every street.

[PokerPatNEU]

sukerpuncher: ithink im beat r
sukerpuncher calls (5)

^That scares me. Not sure how i play the river after that. Does this villain table talk during all his hands? I think i may check/call the river. If he bets a value-bettish looking size, you can showdown your TPTK cheap. If he over bets it is usually a bluff and you can make the call pretty confidently i think. If you lead out and he has you beat and value raises you here, say to 18$, you are calling 12$ into a 28$ pot or so with TPTK...that is a tougher decision. Depending on villains table talk habbits in prior hands i might play this the same *shrug*


Hand 2 i agree with Bdawg. Why slowplay the calling station? This is exactly the flop you want against him. If he's holding a 4 or a flush draw you will get paid off. Calling stations bluff less. Don't let him draw cheap.

[r8ed]

Hand 1: The table talk did scare me as I was going to bet more on the river. I figured I wouldn't give him a chance to bluff me off the hand where I felt ahead OR let him off the hand cheap since I felt I was ahead. I mean, look at the board. I put him on KQ or something. I raise AQ regardless of position without a raise in front of me. I'm ahead of most limping hands and I need to raise preflop often enough to get action on AA/KK.

Hand 2: I wanted to show weakness and give somebody else a chance to bet with two other people in the hand. I considered check-raising but figured I could play this slow and give them some confidence. There is a flush draw but I have outs and I'm looking to win more than a tiny pot. I'm actually hoping somebody has the 4 in case another comes out - I can destack them with the higher boat. Since the calling station saw me check-call, he's more apt to stay until the river calling bets. I'm just wondering if I could have got more from him possibly by betting higher or pushing but I took the sure money.

Anyway, first hand he had QJ. Second hand he had A4. They both called.