another tough AK hand

[neva07]

This is at 25NL.
We both have almost exactly $25.
No read on this guy other than he seems to bet a lot in position. Not sure if he has had the goods or not.

Hero delt :Ah: :Kd: in CO I raise to $1.00

SB calls and one limper I have position on all of them.

Flop is :Ks: with pot at $3.25
Both check to me I bet $2.50
SB calls, limper folds.

Turn is pot = $8.25
Check to me I bet $6.00
SB calls.

River is
SB goes allin for $14

I am stumped. Is this an laydown or call?
Part of me says this is a bluff but the other half says that he hit
and is part of the "ALLIN WHEN I HAVE THE NUTS" group.

[EricE]

I really think you are beat. He could have 22,44,55,or 66. Could he really call $.9 in the SB with K3? It makes the most sense for his post flop line.

[Fnord]

$14 into a $20 pot. I think you have to call this sometimes.

[Miffed22001]

$14 into a $20 pot. I think you have to call this sometimes.

cold called on the turn
A3 would not be a surprise here
fold it

[neva07]

results in white if you want:
Hero folds
Villian shows Kc9c
what do you think about that?

[Pelion]

I really think you are beat. He could have 22,44,55,or 66. Could he really call $.9 in the SB with K3? It makes the most sense for his post flop line.

I dont think he has 55 or 66 and 33 is as likely as these. I htink most of the time you are behind to a set here. 42 hardly ever calls preflop but i still think against most players you should fold this. If he is calling down with k9 alot and allining the river then definatly add notes but be very careful that he may have been setting you up to do it next time with AA, 22 if he seems to know what he is doing in general

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wow, i'd write notes for that guy immediately

[Zinnsoldaten]

I often check behind on turn, if not to induce a bluff. At these stakes many Call-->Riverpush TPxK.

[mouteut]

Hey this is 25 NL....they play a rag king and a set the same way.

[Lukie]

Tough decision.. it really depends on the player.

I think you have to fold this most of the time against most players.

[Miffed22001]

please pass the name of this player to me so i can play with him.

[neva07]

haha his name on bodog was

Phil Hellmuth Jr.

I took some notes on him and will hopefully take his stack next time.

Thanks for the info everyone.

[Fnord]

His opponent played the river well.

Consider the pot size and the amount of money to call. This is a long f'n way from an easy fold.

Also, consider the decisions that brought you to this river. Pot manipulation is a big part of big bet poker. Are you happy with your bet sizes?

[biondino]

Ouch. I side with the "he was a donkey" approach rather than agreeing with Fnord's admiration, but I also know that very,very few people make huge river bets at this level with hands this vulnerable. I'd say the proportion are roughly this:

AK or KQ: 20% of time
Kx or worse: 15% of the time
donked straight or set: 60%
other: 5%

[EricE]

His opponent played the river well.

Consider the pot size and the amount of money to call. This is a long f'n way from an easy fold.

Also, consider the decisions that brought you to this river. Pot manipulation is a big part of big bet poker. Are you happy with your bet sizes?

Villian did win the hand but I am not willing to give him credit for “control” of the hand. Our hero decided the size of the pot because the villain was check/calling. He just pulled a good river move with AI for $14 into a $20 pot (now $34).

Hero bet 2/3 of pot on the flop and turn. That leaves room for a better hand to raise us up. I am happy with the bet sizes with TPTK.

[neva07]

Ok so if I potted both the flop and turn and he called.
flop 3.25 x 3 = 9.75
turn 9.75 x 3 = 29.25
We would both only have 11 left.
If he pushes $11 then its
$11 to win $41.25....thats an easier call.

I do agree with EricE though. I didn't want to go crazy with TPTK because he could have been slowplaying his set. I wanted a chance to get away from the hand if I was beat. Is this a good idea in general?

Also Fnord want would you recommend my flop and turn bets to be?

I see an opponent calling with KQ or KJ trying to get to a cheap showdown.
He could have a set.
He could be a donk and is drawing to two pair ie Kx.
He could have a low straight draw.

When the flop hit, it looked pretty harmless. I was in control with TPTK.
I bet 2/3 pot because I want weaker Kx calling but don't want to price in the draws. But I want to leave room so that a set can reraise and I can escape.

Ok so this post is lots of rambling. Is my general idea correct here? I'm still a very new beginner but am trying to understand GENERAL concepts so that I can become a winning player.
Thanks guys.

[Fnord]

Also Fnord want would you recommend my flop and turn bets to be?

$4 on the turn. Sometimes I check that turn behind because I really have to call a raise and hate having to fold to a push on that board.

Unless you want to stack the fucker because it really looks like a worse Kx. Then pot the turn and stick the rest in on any river.

$6 doesn't do anything for me on a K-trash rainbowish board like that.

[PokerPatNEU]

I often play this hand the same as villain. With the board having only 1 big card, hero most likely has either TPTK, or is on a total continuation/bluff (what is your table image?). Only hand he is really afraid of is KK. He would never have showed his TP/weak kicker to you if he didn't know that you most likely folded the best hand.