Put him on a Hand

[DoGGz]

I'm separating the hand into the preflop, flop, and the turn. I want to here what you think are likely hand ranges.

#Game No : 3275332923
***** Hand History for Game 3275332923 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 28, 15:14:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 65880 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: kraudo5 ( $209.90 )
Seat 5: zarnie ( $222.45 )
Seat 6: chuckfug ( $52.93 )
Seat 3: mMagic_Cards ( $234.60 )
Seat 2: Karenbaby ( $200.75 )
Seat 4: BOBM2323 ( $624.65 )
kraudo5 posts small blind [$1].
Karenbaby posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mMagic_Cards [ 2c 2s ]
mMagic_Cards calls [$2].
BOBM2323 calls [$2].
zarnie calls [$2].
chuckfug calls [$2].
kraudo5 folds.
Karenbaby checks.

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What hands do they limp here? Pretty much anything?

[DoGGz]

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** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 7h, 2d ]
Karenbaby checks.
mMagic_Cards bets [$8].
BOBM2323 raises [$16].
zarnie folds.
chuckfug folds.
Karenbaby folds.



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I hit a set here, but he still puts in a min raise?

[DoGGz]

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mMagic_Cards calls [$8].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
mMagic_Cards checks.
BOBM2323 bets [$25].
mMagic_Cards raises [$80].
BOBM2323 raises [$110].

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This is a very interesting Turn card. We know he either has 77 or Ax. How likely is it that i'm ahead?

[joshuadzl]

I'd say 77. Is he really playing ace rag? I don't know how often people play that at this level, but from that position, I don't think he would. Though I would expect him to limp with 77.

[dalecooper]

Reads?

Pre-flop: seems like a typical, passive 6 max game. They are limping just north of any two. No point even trying to set hand ranges, it's anything playable and a few that really aren't.

Flop: Min-raise but not a check-raise. He could have a lot of hands: two sevens, any ace (especially ace with a good kicker), ace seven, ace two. Depending on how the table plays and what your table image is like, he could very easily do this with just an ace. Might even be standard for him against ANY opponent with an ace/decent kicker.

Turn: most of the time he has an ace. I put him on just the ace and go the distance, hoping he doesn't have sevens or ace seven. I don't think the turn play narrows his hand range much except to probably eliminate A2.

[Miffed22001]

once u open for a limp anything playable can be limped i guess. 77 is an option, so set over set or any Ax is really possible. For once id control pot size here if i cud against Ax or 77 with bottom set.
Despite that if opp pushes at any point i think u have to call and go broke if he shows something better.

[DoGGz]

once u open for a limp anything playable can be limped i guess. 77 is an option, so set over set or any Ax is really possible. For once id control pot size here if i cud against Ax or 77 with bottom set.
Despite that if opp pushes at any point i think u have to call and go broke if he shows something better.

Calling the turn is pretty much the same as all in. Lets focus here.

[r8ed]

Well, you put him on the range of hands. He really likes his hand. The only hands that beat your are AA, 77, A7. AA is unlikely. A7 seems unlikely to limp in early position but possible if the table is passive preflop and it's sooted. 77 would probably play this way. Absent of a strong read, I'm losing my stack here if he has one of those 3.

[BeeJall]

I'd probably put him on Ace rag and just hope it's not A7. I guess 77 would play throught he same way, but i would think he'd smooth call the flop considering it's a pretty safe flop for a set.

[SteveO]

Why the hell did the SB and BB fold?

Figure 6 max could be anything.

I would say he does not have an A. Most people would raise the A at 6 max.

AA limping for a trap. Not a + EV play here preflop but still a possibility.

77 maybe, I'll raise 77 at 6 max to mix it up.

Other premium pair, 1010-KK. Maybe he is trying to outplay you and bluff the A thinking his hand is good or he can get you to fold to turn.

Ax is most likely. A2 sure would suck.

That turn check raise and re-raise is odd. Definetly have to take this one to the felt.

[Fnord]

Cute way to post whore.

Without a read, we can't do much more than wildly speculate here.

That turn card was really terrible if he's at all tight and/or passive, I'm inclined to just call and play a river.

[Miffed22001]

Calling the turn is pretty much the same as all in. Lets focus here.

well then its all in on the turn

[Fnord]

Calling the turn is pretty much the same as all in. Lets focus here.

Calling the $25 bet does not commit us to the pot.

Bottom set against tight/passive opponents in an unraised pot with lots of money behind is cause for great concern when lots of money gets into the pot. However, against loose/bad players it's a license to print money.

[Rondavu]

I love posts that challenge you to put people on hands, but I wish these type of posts always looked like this...

MP2- Limped AA, Seems loose passive, Overvalues top pair, haven't seen him bluff. Folds to big raises when weak. String him along with value.

Then the hand....

Something like that

[dalecooper]

I'm with those two guys above me (which is why my post started with "Reads?"). This is an exercise that yields anemic, watery fruit without some information on the players - particularly in a 6 max game.

[Fnord]

You so should be getting past naked hand histories at around somewhere between the $100 and $400 level. I can't imagine playing $200 6 max without having some sort of read at least on how the table is playing.

[bigredhoss]

77 and A7 are possible but pending a very solid read i always get my stack in here, especially considering it's 6max and it's party.

[DoGGz]

sigh, What reads do you want here? This is your typical low stakes table with many colorful fish. I haven't seen anything special from him, so I did not write anything.

Oh wait, He scratches his ass and farts when he holds the nuts.

[bencathers]

A2 suited. He flopped two pair and the turn was an annoyance and not helpful

Min raise indicates he's comfortably ahead. I'm thinking people are opening 7-7 for a raise in 6max at this level. I don't see Ax not two pair min raising here.

[WildBobAA]

I would have come over the top of him on the flop and let him know I was serious about the hand. If he pushes, then it's a matter of reads.

But I'm almost always willing to go broke with a set on a flop like that since I've seem so many plays at this level that make no sense whatsoever. There's enough donkeys at this level who will make going the distance with this hand worthwile.

[DoGGz]

I would have come over the top of him on the flop and let him know I was serious about the hand. If he pushes, then it's a matter of reads.

But I'm almost always willing to go broke with a set on a flop like that since I've seem so many plays at this level that make no sense whatsoever. There's enough donkeys at this level who will make going the distance with this hand worthwile.

Why would you Re-raise with a set on what is possibly the most favorable board possible?

To the point, continue with discussion on what he might have, and I'll post when I wake up.

[dalecooper]

Have we not pretty much discussed it into the ground? The information is inconclusive but we have a pretty likely range (77, A7, A2, Ax). If he has basically anything else, he's a bad player or a devoted bluffer, and this is nothing but a curiosity piece (e.g. "can you believe he fired in all those raises with pocket eights?? what a moron!"). So what were the results?

[Rondavu]

sigh, What reads do you want here? This is your typical low stakes table with many colorful fish. I haven't seen anything special from him, so I did not write anything.

Jimmy and Molly went to the store. One of them is blonde, and one of them is brunette. Which one is a virgin?

[joshuadzl]

He had 74o !!!!! Yeahhhhhh dog.

[DoGGz]

Have we not pretty much discussed it into the ground? The information is inconclusive but we have a pretty likely range (77, A7, A2, Ax). If he has basically anything else, he's a bad player or a devoted bluffer, and this is nothing but a curiosity piece (e.g. "can you believe he fired in all those raises with pocket eights?? what a moron!"). So what were the results?

I was giving a chance for other players to read this who might have not seen it.

Anyway, he had AA

[dalecooper]

he's a bad player

I'm comfortable quoting this for truth. Limping aces into a pot that looks to accomodate at least four people is a very, uh, interesting play. Maybe he goes "no set, no bet" with every hand... or maybe 90% of the pots were getting position-raised?

[DoGGz]

I was just hoping noone would put him on AA. Because I surely didn't. I also wanted to prove a point.

[dalecooper]

What point you were trying to prove? That sometimes people play strangely? I'm not sure I follow your point. But I certainly wouldn't have put him on aces either, and certainly would have lost a lot or all of my money.

[Miffed22001]

What point you were trying to prove? That sometimes people play strangely? I'm not sure I follow your point. But I certainly wouldn't have put him on aces either, and certainly would have lost a lot or all of my money.

Agreed. Im interested here in why he plays AA from there in that way? WHat was the table doing ?