Betting/Raising in late position!!!

[The K1ngpin]

What are the stipulations YOU use in late position in regards to raising? Many people already in and you have a great pre flop hand? How often do you just limp? See what I'm saying? Drop some knowledge!!! Thanks!

[WhooFleuryScores]

Reread ITH starting hand charts as well as SSH starting hands guide.That will address alot of your ques.

[The K1ngpin]

Reread ITH starting hand charts as well as SSH starting hands guide.That will address alot of your ques.

I already know a good bit about starting hand, but basically since poker is a game of situations, I am referring to doing different things dependant upon the situation. In other words I want to know what YOU do in particular situations, not what is a supplemental guide. Thanks.

[Bo G]

RAISE RAISE and when all else fails RAISE SOME MORE

[Miffed22001]

gambOOL

[biondino]

You can seldom raise wrongly, so if in doubt, raise.

[Bo G]

Well he said he has a GREAT hand. Any great hand doesnt want too many limpers in. Just raise and isolate and build a pot.

[The K1ngpin]

What if you have a hand that is best with many players in, and everyone has just called and you don't expect anything too aggressive from anyone? Should you just call and go with the good pot odds? If you raise here a few ppl may fold and a few ppl will most likely stay in, in which case your hand doesn't warrent a raise anyway, so you just cut out a large portion of your pot odds. If it best to just call in this situation?

[Chicago_Kid]

What if you have a hand that is best with many players in, and everyone has just called and you don't expect anything too aggressive from anyone? Should you just call and go with the good pot odds? If you raise here a few ppl may fold and a few ppl will most likely stay in, in which case your hand doesn't warrent a raise anyway, so you just cut out a large portion of your pot odds. If it best to just call in this situation?

- With AA, KK, QQ, I most often pop it like 7-8x. Sometimes, I will min raise at an aggressive table to try to get a smaller pair to r/r.
- With JJ-TT I sometimes call, and sometimes raise.
- 99-22 I call.
- With any connectors, suited one gappers, and one gappers sometimes, I call. Sometimes I will put in a little raise with JTs or some other sc's.

[RiverMonkey]

I think your question may just be too general to give an "if 'this', then to do 'this' " type answer. Bottom line answer is the good ol', golden, all-around response to all poker related questions: it's situational, and it just f'ing depends.

Here are just a few of the factors and questions to ponder when considering whether to pre-flop raise from any position. In late position, you have the added benefits of increased information and other positional advantages to add to the equation.

o # of limpers ahead of you and their tendency to limp-call vs. limp fold

o Will a raise in this situation give you some positional advantage now, or later in the hand? Can you buy the button or improved position by raising?

o Stack sizes of those likely to call, and those likley to fold and their relative position to you

o How might a pre-flop raise impact action on later streets?

o Possible hand ranges your opponents might have if they call

o Post flop skillz of those likely to call, and those you want to fold

o Does your hand play well short-handed, or in multi-way pots i.e. is it a hand that thrives on implied odds or suffers from reverse implied odds e.g. Do I really want to make player x and y fold/call if they have to act ahead/behind (of) me for the rest of this hand and do they have the stacks to pay me off if they hit second-best type hands

o Who are the players behind you and what is their propensity to call PFRs? Is there 'dead money' in the earlier seats that are routinely calling pre-flop raises with marginal hands that don't understand the advantages that my position over them affords me; can you profit from this by exploiting their post-flop weaknesses/mistakes?

o Your image at the table and how it may be influencing how the other players are responding to your play. Are your raises getting any respect?

o Overall game texture\flow - many bad/drunk players?, the mix of aggressive and passive players, tight and loose players

o Has a strong, tight player limped from EP that might represent the risk of a limp re-raise? I'm rarely aware enough to anticipate this, but definitely respond appropriately after the fact.

o Are any of the players at the table capable of large pre-flop bluff set-ups, are any of the players at the table capable of re-raise isolation plays that would essentially hi-jack the benefits I'd get from raising vs. calling?

o How is the table in general responding to LP/EP pre-flop raises?

o Does it really matter if I call or raise? If it's a close decision (which, quite often it is), do general game conditions, your image or other meta-game consideration suggest which is better.

Then, using these considerations you should formulate a 'desired result' from the raising vs. calling decision and take it from there. By contemplating and formulating a desired result I set myself up to think to start to think about how I might respond if I don't get exactly the kind of response I had hoped for. The desired results I'm talking about vary; but here are a few examples: I want two callers with medium sized stacks, and I'm indifferent to having others in, or, I only want one loose call from that fish cake UTG who plays predictably after the flop, or that guy in blinds is steaming and he'll call me with anything and donk off even more after the flop

Another interesting thing to consider is how much $$ to raise and more importantly, why!

I've found that it's beneficial to alter how much I raise based on what kind of result I decide I want after considering the above and how that might impact/flow into post-flop play. Some games have 5 people calling 6xBB PRFs habitually, in other games, you'll only get called by better hands when you raise this much. So, to me, general game conditions are therefore a significant set of influencing factors which, often far out-weigh general guidelines like 'always raise 3 to 5x BB from early position etc'. One factor I try not to let influence the size of my raise directly is my actual hand - I don't necessarily want to telegraph what I'm holding (sometimes you may want to actually rep a certain hand, but usually not), nor do I want to fall into any patterns that my opponents might pick up and use against me in the future.

[salsa4ever]

I think your question may just be too general to give an "if 'this', then to do 'this' " type answer. Bottom line answer is the good ol', golden, all-around response to all poker related questions: it's situational, and it just f'ing depends.

Here are just a few of the factors and questions to ponder when considering whether to pre-flop raise from any position. In late position, you have the added benefits of increased information and other positional advantages to add to the equation.

o # of limpers ahead of you and their tendency to limp-call vs. limp fold

o Will a raise in this situation give you some positional advantage now, or later in the hand? Can you buy the button or improved position by raising?

o Stack sizes of those likely to call, and those likley to fold and their relative position to you

o How might a pre-flop raise impact action on later streets?

o Possible hand ranges your opponents might have if they call

o Post flop skillz of those likely to call, and those you want to fold

o Does your hand play well short-handed, or in multi-way pots i.e. is it a hand that thrives on implied odds or suffers from reverse implied odds e.g. Do I really want to make player x and y fold/call if they have to act ahead/behind (of) me for the rest of this hand and do they have the stacks to pay me off if they hit second-best type hands

o Who are the players behind you and what is their propensity to call PFRs? Is there 'dead money' in the earlier seats that are routinely calling pre-flop raises with marginal hands that don't understand the advantages that my position over them affords me; can you profit from this by exploiting their post-flop weaknesses/mistakes?

o Your image at the table and how it may be influencing how the other players are responding to your play. Are your raises getting any respect?

o Overall game texture\flow - many bad/drunk players?, the mix of aggressive and passive players, tight and loose players

o Has a strong, tight player limped from EP that might represent the risk of a limp re-raise? I'm rarely aware enough to anticipate this, but definitely respond appropriately after the fact.

o Are any of the players at the table capable of large pre-flop bluff set-ups, are any of the players at the table capable of re-raise isolation plays that would essentially hi-jack the benefits I'd get from raising vs. calling?

o How is the table in general responding to LP/EP pre-flop raises?

o Does it really matter if I call or raise? If it's a close decision (which, quite often it is), do general game conditions, your image or other meta-game consideration suggest which is better.

Then, using these considerations you should formulate a 'desired result' from the raising vs. calling decision and take it from there. By contemplating and formulating a desired result I set myself up to think to start to think about how I might respond if I don't get exactly the kind of response I had hoped for. The desired results I'm talking about vary; but here are a few examples: I want two callers with medium sized stacks, and I'm indifferent to having others in, or, I only want one loose call from that fish cake UTG who plays predictably after the flop, or that guy in blinds is steaming and he'll call me with anything and donk off even more after the flop

Another interesting thing to consider is how much $$ to raise and more importantly, why!

I've found that it's beneficial to alter how much I raise based on what kind of result I decide I want after considering the above and how that might impact/flow into post-flop play. Some games have 5 people calling 6xBB PRFs habitually, in other games, you'll only get called by better hands when you raise this much. So, to me, general game conditions are therefore a significant set of influencing factors which, often far out-weigh general guidelines like 'always raise 3 to 5x BB from early position etc'. One factor I try not to let influence the size of my raise directly is my actual hand - I don't necessarily want to telegraph what I'm holding (sometimes you may want to actually rep a certain hand, but usually not), nor do I want to fall into any patterns that my opponents might pick up and use against me in the future.

what are reverse implied odds hands?

i'm thinking pocket pairs (low) and suited connectors / a-rag suited are implied odds hands, but what's reverse implied? AK/AQ? The big pairs?

[RiverMonkey]

Yes, top pair hands like BIG-BIG offsuit and even the premuim pocket pairs suffer from reverse implied odds (although hands like KK and AA are obviously robust enough to hold up unimproved). Ideally, you really want a limited field when you play these hands, and the earlier the street you get the money in and/or take it down the better. In general, you win smallish pots and lose you bigger ones (if you don't play them well) with hands that suffer from reverse implied odds. Holding a lower flush draw to a higher one is also RIO situation too.