Value-raise on river here?

[UG]

Okay...I have a solid read on this guy. He's a pretty damned tight player that has shown down nothing but the goods all night. He has kept his nose out of pots unless he's got the goods, and for some reason people have been paying him off all night long. I've seen him limp AK UTG before and get paid off, along with a few other random two-pair hands. This guy hasn't gotten out of line all night (250+ hands).

NL200, UTG ($750) and UTG+1 Ultimate George ($210)

Ultimate George has: 5 5

UTG calls $2, Ultimate George calls $2, CO folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $2, BB calls $2. Pot = $10.

FLOP: A 9 5

UTG bets $10, Ultimate George calls $10, button folds, SB folds, BB folds. Pot = $30.

Okay, at this point I'm putting him on a big-Ace, A9, 99, and...well, that's pretty much it. As I've said before, he hasn't stuck his nose in too many pots thus far...the two time I've seen him have AA he's raised in EP, so I can't put him on that...

Turn: J

UTG bets $15 (half-pot), Ultimate George raises to $45, UTG calls...

From here I can't put him on two spades...He'd have to have Q and 9 , and I just don't have him pegged for that. I'm still putting him on a big-Ace (maybe AJ ?), AK, A9, or 99. If he has 99 I am going to pay him off.

River: K

UTG bets $30 (into a $90 pot), Ultimate George reraises to $90, UTG raises $150......Ultimate George shits himself and calls.

Now...Normally, and by that I mean most every time, I'm just going to call his river bet. I realize that people will not call a river re-raise in a situation like this without the goods. To me, though, this bet looked like a "pot control" bet, hoping that I'll cool the jets here in case he's beat. I just can't put him on Q 9 . So instead of missing out on value here I decide to reraise.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not this was the right decision?

Of course, he reraises me and I piss myself and call, and he definitely shows Q 9

Was this play terrible or am I just being too results oriented right now?

I am in the midst of a $1100 downswing (3.5 buy-ins at NL200, 4 buy-ins at NL100), so that's probably just fucking with my head right now...but, given my read (which I felt was a solid one), was this play that out of line?

[midas06]

If your read on him was that he was only showing down good hands, and he bets the river on a 3 flush board, you're only beating a couple of hands.

Also remember that you raised him on the turn, and he donk 'value' betted into you on the river when the obvious draw completed.

[Miffed22001]

i dont like hsi turn play.
But i would only call or fold the river. Probable call but not a value raise

[r8ed]

Why did you just call the flop if you put him on a big Ace with 3 players to act? He's potting the flop OOP so he likes his hand. This was my first thought before reading the rest of the post. As played, I call this river. If this guy is as solid as you say, he's only calling your reraise with the goods.

I know you have a massive bankroll, but I also know you loathe losing money. Stick to 100NL until you get your mojo back. I'm sure the opponents there will oblige.

[UG]

Why did you just call the flop if you put him on a big Ace with 3 players to act?

I dunno, I was trying to build a pot. Realistically, what am I behind or even remotely worried about on this flop? Only AA and 99 have me beat here. There are no draws either, so why not let somebody else come play along? Why raise here and miss out on value later. Let him bet hard into me on the turn and then I can reraise him.

My mistake here was not reraising the piss out of him on the turn. I should have made it $60 maybe.

I know you have a massive bankroll, but I also know you loathe losing money. Stick to 100NL until you get your mojo back. I'm sure the opponents there will oblige.

Yup, I'm heading back down to NL100 as we speak...I'll get things right again. I will be fine.

[r8ed]

I dunno, I was trying to build a pot. Realistically, what am I behind or even remotely worried about on this flop? Only AA and 99 have me beat here. There are no draws either, so why not let somebody else come play along? Why raise here and miss out on value later. Let him bet hard into me on the turn and then I can reraise him.

My mistake here was not reraising the piss out of him on the turn. I should have made it $60 maybe.

I see your point about building the pot, but I don't like all those people in the hand. I'm a pansy though. Him showing strength leads me to believe you'll get a call anyway. In this case he probably folds, but his line seems like he has an A or 9 or both.

Yup, I'm heading back down to NL100 as we speak...I'll get things right again. I will be fine.

I know for a fact it will be fine. Not that you don't belong at 200+ but you just started 6max recently, so you may want to work some things out before interacting with higher skilled players.

[zenbitz]

Is it possible that just because he is only showing down the goods, it doesn't mean he is super tight pre-flop?

He just folds if he thinks he's beat.... that would imply he's folding the turn, but ... you didn't raise THAT much, and maybe he thought you have garbage.

Finally - how do you know anything about the Qs before the Ks hits on the river? You said "He'd have to have the Qs9s" (to have the flushdraw).... but couldn't he also have 9Ts/KTs mabye even 8Ts or 5Ts...

[dsaxton]

Call. He's representing a flush, and even if he doesn't have one, he'll be reluctant to call a raise with a hand you can beat. If you raise, you definitely have to fold to a reraise.

[aislephive]

I had a similar hand go down today. I flopped top pair and bet it out (unraised pot), and was called. The turn brought me top two along with the third spade, he checked to me i made a small bet, the river blanked and he checked again. I figure he would be the river if he had a flush so I make a small value bet and he calls with the J high flush instead of putting in a raise. He played it so passively I really could not put him on a flush.