What do you do here?

[Ugly Ed]

Just sat down no reads.

Game #1322172316 - (blinds $0.50/$1) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/02-09:58:46.4 (CST)
Table "Feni (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Ugly Ed ($92.30 in chips)
Seat 3: IPOKEU ($79.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Debby Smith ($62.95 in chips)
Seat 5: sharkyman ($137.60 in chips)
Ugly Ed : Post Small Blind ($0.50)
IPOKEU : Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Ad ]
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Qs ]
Debby Smith: Raise ($3.50)
sharkyman: Call ($3.50)
Ugly Ed : Call ($3)
IPOKEU : Fold
*** FLOP *** : [ Qh Jc 2h ]
Ugly Ed : Bet ($5.50)
Debby Smith: Call ($5.50)
sharkyman: Raise ($15)
Ugly Ed : Call ($9.50)
Debby Smith: Call ($9.50)
*** TURN *** : [ Qh Jc 2h ] [ 5c ]
Ugly Ed : Check
Debby Smith: Check
sharkyman: Bet ($30)
Ugly Ed : ??

[Rondavu]

You fold

[DaHorror]

4 max TPTK is a great hand, though plenty of times it's beat...it sure looks like you planned to just call this one down...owise why the half pot bet on the flop and then call the reraise?

For some reason I think sharkyman is drawing, though you would think that if that was true he would take a free card on the turn? Perhaps he is drawing very strongly with KTh, JTh, etc. JJ/22 can't be ruled out of course...the biggest problem here - why is Debby Smith calling this one down too? Is she slow-playing with a plan to reraise allin on the turn here? Or is she chasing/an idiot with a lower pair/A hi?

Her being last to act after this $30 bet puts you in a pretty tough spot...because if you call $30 you're calling whatever else comes out after this. Sucks to be squeezed in this spot.
Something just doesn't feel right about her play - checks flop, calls $15, with air? That would probably make me suspicious enough to get out on the turn and find a better spot...

Also - I would have led the flop strongly, being out of position with a solid hand 4 top...at least if you are reraised 3x at that point you can push/fold easily.

[Warpe]

You fold

It's a set or AA, KK.

[Ugly Ed]

Heres the results in white.


Ugly Ed : Fold
Debby Smith: Call ($30)
*** RIVER *** : [ Qh Jc 2h 5c ] [ 4d ]
Debby Smith: Check
sharkyman: Bet ($14)
Debby Smith: Call ($14)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $142.50 | Rake: $2
Board: [ Qh Jc 2h 5c 4d ]
Ugly Ed lost $18.50 (folded) [ Ad Qs ] (a pair of queens)
IPOKEU lost $1 (folded)
Debby Smith lost $62.50 [ 8h Ah ] (high card ace)
sharkyman bet $62.50, collected $142.50, net +$80 (showed hand) [ Qc Kc ] (a pair of queens)

ARGH!!! Thats enough to piss somebody off. I just figured for sure he had to have the set. This contributed to some other bad plays I made. My other recent post. Kinda took away some of my confidence. Gets me thinking its going to be one of those days where nothing g0es right.

[DaHorror]

Results suck as this woulda been a big pot for ya...calling station screwed it up for you by chasing the obvious draw minus odds...great play by her...even to the point of donking off another $14 on the end with A hi missed flush draw lol.

Any reason why you weren't confident with your hand on the flop? If I was Villain, I would have played this pretty much the same way that he did...worked out extremely well for him - chase off the stronger but marginal hand, retain the chase monkey.

[Fnord]

*** FLOP *** : [ Qh Jc 2h ]
Ugly Ed : Bet ($5.50)
Debby Smith: Call ($5.50)
sharkyman: Raise ($15)
Ugly Ed : Call ($9.50)
Debby Smith: Call ($9.50)
*** TURN *** : [ Qh Jc 2h ] [ 5c ]
Ugly Ed : Check
Debby Smith: Check
sharkyman: Bet ($30)

This line sucks. You got to figure out where you're at on the flop bro.

If you think you're beat right there or fail that will get sucked out on a lot, drop this to the flop raise.

If you think you're good then either push the flop or call the flop bet and push a blank turn.

Q-J-blank 2 suited isn't a board to fuck around on. Also by playing your made hands really strong you set-up semi-bluffs for when you're on the draw.

[Ugly Ed]

Any reason why you weren't confident with your hand on the flop?

Like Warpe said I was thinking he had a set or AA,KK. If I wouldnt let TPTK go here when would I?

worked out extremely well for him - chase off the stronger but marginal hand, retain the chase monkey.

It sure did

[dj newman]

With three people in a raised pot and a board like that...I hit the flop hard and fold to any reraise.

[DaHorror]

Like Warpe said I was thinking he had a set or AA,KK. If I wouldnt let TPTK go here when would I?

Ok - but think about your line here then...you bet $5.50 into an $10.50 pot on the flop - but then you called another $9.50 anyway...woulda been cheaper to find out if he had you beat on the flop by betting out even $8 - and folding to the 3x reraise or follow Fnord's suggested plan if you think you're best.

Anyhow, given your intuition and the sandwich you were in, the turn is still an acceptable fold.

[Fnord]

Yeah, the flop bet is too weak.

[Rondavu]

With regards to the opponent holding KQ, your attitude after being mucked up the ass like that should be positive. The villain will give you the money back by going too far too often in the future obviously. You might feel sheisted, but a villain like this plays with liquid chips anyway, so no big deal. The cure for donkey suck tilt is anticipation of implied odds.