Wow, crazy hand, what the FCK do I do now?

[aislephive]

What the hell can I do on the river here? 2/3 my stack is in on the turn, and the sick flush card hits. I'm not positive he is on a flush draw, but it's likely. He could have a set of fours or some kind of two pair. I just pushed this river because I figured I was getting great odds and if he has a worse hand 1 time out of 5 it's profitable. I don't know though, can I check/fold this river? Help!

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.39
UTG+1: $28.32
CO: $30.77
Button: $22.45
Hero: $30.15
BB: $19.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 7 7
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks.

Flop: 7 4 T ($1.25, 5 players)
Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, UTG calls $5.

Turn: Q ($15.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG calls $12.

River: 6 ($39.25, 2 players)
Hero raises all-in $10.9, UTG calls $10.9.

Results:
Final pot: $61.05
Hero shows 7h 7s
UTG shows Tc Qc

[gabe]

you could push turn

[Renton]

check/call

I think he has something other than a flush enough to be profitable.

[gabe]

I think he has something other than a flush enough to be profitable.

isn't that more of a reason to bet

[r8ed]

He's not folding to a turn push with top two and a flush draw. Not much you can do.

[Renton]

I think he has something other than a flush enough to be profitable.

isn't that more of a reason to bet

If you bet, he would call with more hands that beat you then hands you beat.

If you check, you could possibly induce a bluff, and would call more hands that you beat than that beat you.

Thats how I was looking at it anyways.

[gabe]

i dont think theres any hands he could possible bluff with on the river. if he had 89, a flush draw, or a 56, hes not betting this river.

also, QT is calling a push on the river, but probably isn't betting.

[aislephive]

I think he has something other than a flush enough to be profitable.

isn't that more of a reason to bet

If you bet, he would call with more hands that beat you then hands you beat.

If you check, you could possibly induce a bluff, and would call more hands that you beat than that beat you.

Thats how I was looking at it anyways.

If he has a hand that I beat like AT he will definitely check-behind on this river if I check to him. There are a lot of hands that he is going to have to call my river bet with since there is so much money out in the pot already. If I thought my hand was best here then pushing is definitely the right play.

[Silly String]

Their is no way you can lay this down if you check and he pushes, so I push too. If he has the flush here, note him as a chasing bastard, and become his new best friend.

[Miffed22001]

push the turn
otherwise, block bet the river, prob folding to a reraise. Maybe a call depending on how bad opp is.

[sunfunbunch]

Their is no way you can lay this down if you check and he pushes, so I push too. If he has the flush here, note him as a chasing bastard, and become his new best friend.

What?!?!
Villian has TopPair AND a flushdraw on the flop.
On the turn opponent thinks he's ahead with two pair now, but still has outs for the flush draw as well.

If he puts HERO on only a pair on the flop, then Villain is actually AHEAD[on the flop]

This is just one of those hands....

[aislephive]

^Yeah agreed, in fact if I was opp. I push the turn with top two and the flush draw.

push the turn
otherwise, block bet the river, prob folding to a reraise. Maybe a call depending on how bad opp is.

Do you see the stack sizes? There is $40 in the pot when the river card hits and I have 11$ behind and my turn bet was $12. There is no such thing as a blocking bet in this situation. What am I going to bet here, $6 and fold to a raise with $5 left and $60 in the pot?

[Miffed22001]

^Yeah agreed, in fact if I was opp. I push the turn with top two and the flush draw.

push the turn
otherwise, block bet the river, prob folding to a reraise. Maybe a call depending on how bad opp is.

Do you see the stack sizes? There is $40 in the pot when the river card hits and I have 11$ behind and my turn bet was $12. There is no such thing as a blocking bet in this situation. What am I going to bet here, $6 and fold to a raise with $5 left and $60 in the pot?

are you goint to push a hand into a large pot that very well looks second best now considering previous street actions?

This isnt the place to argue over pot odd calls or being pot committed but looking at how much you are going to bet on the turn id have either bet more or just pushed.

[aislephive]

^Yeah agreed, in fact if I was opp. I push the turn with top two and the flush draw.

push the turn
otherwise, block bet the river, prob folding to a reraise. Maybe a call depending on how bad opp is.

Do you see the stack sizes? There is $40 in the pot when the river card hits and I have 11$ behind and my turn bet was $12. There is no such thing as a blocking bet in this situation. What am I going to bet here, $6 and fold to a raise with $5 left and $60 in the pot?

are you goint to push a hand into a large pot that very well looks second best now considering previous street actions?

This isnt the place to argue over pot odd calls or being pot committed but looking at how much you are going to bet on the turn id have either bet more or just pushed.

What previous actions? Like I said I think he was probably on a flush draw, perhaps 70%+ of the time here. He also could have a lot of hands that I beat which is anything except a flush draw basically or something like 89. Suggesting that I make a blocking bet and fold to a raise is a horrible play and makes little sense given stack sizes and previous bet sizes.

I could have open pushed the turn as well, or made a bet of $15 and gotten my last few chips in on any river card, but I think any other bet here other than all in pretty much commits me to the pot, and I think his hand range is bigger than a bare flush draw here.

[benny999]

I agree with overbet/AI on the turn...or else the river is a very marginal push or c/c

it's a limped pot and an unknown so obviously his range is huge, but must be either a draw (flush or bigger) or made (TP, over pair, two pair or set)

at $25NL, enough of the 2nd best made hands and drawing hands (especially big draws) call a turn overbet AI, whereas a 3/4 pot size bet gives odds to 1/2 the drawing hands (OESFD and pair+draw), and leaves you a tough decision on the river if a draw hits.

[SmackinYaUp]

I think you played it fine on the turn. In hindsight, it would have made things easier, but you want people to chase with bad odds. Open pushing whenever you are afraid someone will suck out isn't going to work out too well.

I don't think it matters much how you play the river as long you dont fold. If he has the flush and you pay him off, oh well, he didnt even have the implied odds so you still made sklanksy dollas!

[benny999]

i agree it's generally bad to just go all in from fear of draws hitting, but i was thinking of using an overbet as a ploy to sucker in 2nd best hands and big draws (like pair/flush) because the opp thinks you're semi bluffing or are protecting top pair. then again, it's a bad play if overbets just get more hands to fold that you want to stay without odds like weaker made hands/flush-only draws.

i'm still a newb so i could be way off on the best logic here. i was thinking about a recent play someone pulled on me - i raised pre flop then flopped two pair (AAJJ) but there was a flush draw, they put out a massive re-raise all in bet and i called instantly thinking they have a weaker hand or a draw...but they really had a set.

[ender555]

open fold turn, you fish