Two hands - One tough river decision and one on the flop.

[aislephive]

This table up to this point had been nuts. Mikeyballs was a complete lunatic raising and reraising every hand with garbage. He had just won a big pot where he reraised somebody with 46s and hit a flush and stacked the guy, but he was playing crazy. Dangerr was the guy he doubled off of, and this guy was also playing very strange and loose. I really didn't want to put a ton of money in preflop OOP with AK, but maybe it was the best play. I just called however and took a flop. It was a good flop for AK and I was pretty sure somebody would bet so I went for the check-raise. I was not pleased to see two callers, so I slowed down and went into the check-call mode to keep the pot size down. They checked behind me and the river was a Q, not a great card since AQ just hit two pair. I still didn't want to play a huge pot here so I checked. There was a big bet and a call in front of me. I wasn't sure what Dangerr had, but I figured if Mikey had two pair or better he would have raised, but regardless I just called. I'm going to keep the results to myself until I get a few responses. Would you call this river as played, and how do you play the flop and turn?

***** Hand History for Game 3700512837 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 09, 10:50:09 ET 2006
Table Table 96968 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: iron__duke ( $20.68 )
Seat 2: GnashiE ( $26.45 )
Seat 3: Dangerr1 ( $55.02 )
Seat 4: mikeyballs69 ( $49.47 )
Seat 6: Antiskrub ( $82.26 )
Seat 5: aisle5 ( $24.40 )
aisle5 posts small blind [$0.10].
Antiskrub posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to aisle5 [ As Kc ]
iron__duke folds.
GnashiE folds.
Dangerr1 calls [$0.25].
mikeyballs69 raises [$1.10].
aisle5 calls [$1].
Antiskrub calls [$0.85].
Dangerr1 calls [$0.85].
>You have options at Table 96841 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 4d, Ac ]
aisle5 checks.
Antiskrub checks.
Dangerr1 checks.
mikeyballs69 bets [$2].
aisle5 raises [$6].
Antiskrub folds.
Dangerr1 calls [$6].
mikeyballs69 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
aisle5 checks.
Dangerr1 checks.
mikeyballs69 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
aisle5 checks.
Dangerr1 bets [$10.18].
mikeyballs69 calls [$10.18].
aisle5 calls [$10.18]............
**Showdown**
.....


Standard call with KQ in position, and a pretty decent flop for me, TPGK with an OESD. With the one player who called in the BB leading out into 3 other players I didn't see how I was ahead, but should I call and see what the turn card brings / how he plays the turn? It kind of felt like a weak fold, but I think I made the correct decision. Thoughts?


***** Hand History for Game 3700479991 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 09, 10:39:27 ET 2006
Table Table 96968 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: iron__duke ( $21.48 )
Seat 2: GnashiE ( $22.09 )
Seat 3: Dangerr1 ( $84.89 )
Seat 4: mikeyballs69 ( $26.15 )
Seat 6: Antiskrub ( $61.26 )
Seat 5: aisle5 ( $24.65 )
iron__duke posts small blind [$0.10].
GnashiE posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to aisle5 [ Kd Qs ]
Dangerr1 raises [$1].
mikeyballs69 calls [$1].
aisle5 calls [$1].
Antiskrub folds.
iron__duke folds.
GnashiE calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, Js, Td ]
GnashiE bets [$2].
Dangerr1 folds.
mikeyballs69 folds.
aisle5 folds.
GnashiE does not show cards.
GnashiE wins $5.90

[Robert]

Hand 1: I check the turn as well. Against loose donkeys I'm probably valuebetting the river. As played I call this bet, though I dont think you are good more than 50% of the time here withopp making a valuesized bet and an overcall (but you are getting great pot odds on your call).

Hand 2: This hand is meh. Any reads? Against an unknown I call an revaluate the turn.

[zenbitz]

Hand 1... I probably bet the turn against random hands. As played, call river.

Hand 2... raise for value! Unless you have a read tat Ghashi is a super tight BB. I put him on a K, J, T, or Q... although it's certainly possible he has two pair. Set or AQ/AK I think re-raises pre-flop. Maybe not though.

The only hand you are crushed by is AQ - and even then you can split on an A.

I could see folding QT here... but KQ?

[crime002000]

I figure in hand 2, you have to call that bet, and re-evaluate the turn. He bets $2 into a $4 pot, you are getting 3:1 on your money as it now has $6 in it...and you are 2.7:1 to hit your OESD...I figure auto-call, slight raise and see how the turn comes out. Maybe you buy yourself a free river card with a raise too

[Miffed22001]

i like a raise on hand 2 in position on a dangerous flop. if youre really beat he'll let you know or wont like being bullied by position. bad place for opp to bet OOP if he doesnt have an ultra strong hand on that flop imo